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ChrisB14 ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 29 Oct 13 Location: London Online Status: Offline Posts: 101 |
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Alexv: that's were the wife's expertise in woodwork and (architectural) model building comes in :)
At the moment we are doing a lot of general background reading, to get a feel for things. The Gougeon Brother's book on boat building is proving informative and Chesapeak Light Craft have a whole collection of tutorials, tech notes and instructionals on their website: http://www.clcboats.com/shoptips/ Fun times!
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boatshed ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 12 Apr 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 457 |
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Hi ChrisB14,
I've seen a lot of wooden boats being built and restored when I lived near Falmouth. Everything from plywood dinghies to a 120 ' schooner. The more you watch the process, the more you realise how skilled these people are. They also have very good tools ; hand, power and fixed workshop tools . You shouldn't under estimate this. It is almost impossible to get good tight wood working joints without and you will definitely need to be able to prepare lengths of wood to your precise dimensions, often with bevels on them. The minimum workshop tools I would personally want are : A bandsaw with various blades, a planer/thicknesser, pillar drill, router and router table, a table saw and a compound mitre saw. Then you can add a belt sander and various hand tools including chisels and many more clamps than you ever think you will need. You will also need a decent sized and strong bench with a wood workers vice. Most of this will fill your garage ! Yes, it can be done with far less but I think the end product will be compromised. Edited by boatshed - 24 Mar 14 at 12:04pm |
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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Oh good grief, a huge list of nice to haves there sure, but absolutely no need for most of them...
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Jack Sparrow ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Feb 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2965 |
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Err... if ChrisB14 builds a Farr 3.7 using the AUTOCAD files supplied with his plans the majority of parts are laser cut plywood. The build base can be built from MDF, accurately pro cut at the timber yard he chooses to supply him. And is simply built.
Most of the woodworking is in shaping the 'stringers' and 'scarfing' the ply sheets. Which doesn't need all the gear you are talking about needing 'boatshed'. Take a look at Dave Barkers blog http://davesfarr37project.weebly.com/1/archives/01-2012/1.html He will need lots of 'clamps' though! Or, as Dave used... bicycle inner tubes!! |
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ChrisB14 ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 29 Oct 13 Location: London Online Status: Offline Posts: 101 |
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I would like to add a 3D printer to the list ;)
Seriously though: I would say the Gougeon Brothers have a lot of experience with both professional (themselves) and amateur (their clients) boat building. The list of "required tools" plus "would be a nice thing to have" reads shockingly similar to what a certain US drama series Special Agent uses on his builds plus a power sander and power drill. Almost disappointing. I was hoping to use this project as an excuse to buy new toys ;-)
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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I've been working on boats for years without most of that lot.
It may cost a bit, but a timberyard (or friendly woodworking place - I have a window maker nearby) can size wood etc, and loads can be done with simple power and hand tools. If you can make and put up a bookshelf, you are well on the way to being able to build a boat - with a learning curve, of course, but then that is the point of the project. |
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Roger ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 Mar 04 Location: Somerset Online Status: Offline Posts: 524 |
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IMHO it shouldn't necessarily compromise the end product, but it may compromise the speed at which the end product is achieved, Most (not all) the tools you describe will speed up a job, but the same results can be achieved with much less, just at a slower pace. I don't get the impression that speed to deliver a finished boat is that important in this project. |
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boatshed ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 12 Apr 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 457 |
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I bet the OP will end up buying several on the list ! Get them second hand and flog them again afterwards. |
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ChrisB14 ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 29 Oct 13 Location: London Online Status: Offline Posts: 101 |
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If time was important, we would buy a finished hull from Butler and add the deck, rigging, etc. It's a hobby, a better way of spending an evening than lounging in front of the TV. Learning some stuff on the way is good and having a fun boat to sail in the end is better.
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Noah ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 29 Dec 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 611 |
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My dear old Dad, Gawd bless 'im, built our Cadet & Geep from plans & woodyard bought timber. No pre-formed / pre-cut stuff for him. The only power tools used were a (home made) circular saw bench (lethal - 'elf n safety would have carted us kids off to social services!), and the power drill. To that, today, I would add a router to do what his trusty plough-plane did. The secret, IMHO, is being able to get / keep the tools sharp. I can't and that's why I'm a cr4p woodworker.
Hand tools were what should be found in any decent workshop: Tenon, Dovetail, Panel & Jig saws, Chisels, Plane, Pencil (obviously), Straight Edge... Measure, measure and measure again before cutting. Yes - a zillion clamps were used, but the Spanish Windlass was also very useful. All this was done in a 1950's single garage that had been extended lengthways about 6-8 feet. Width was never a problem really. |
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