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    Posted: 18 Mar 14 at 11:00pm
Yes, but where would the kite go Tongue

So, would the boat be competitive at 90kg and would it support 94kg Ermm



Originally posted by Daniel Holman

I think I need a long rest after all of this.
You could go out of class and stick a D One rig in there with some moderate bodging  Wink
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Thanks Dan,

I can certainly see your point with the cuningham and outhaul that don't require huge effort to pull on, but its when the boat needs that last inch of kicker I'd be might prefer a single middle swivel. I keep imagining what a Laser kicker would be like if was fixed in the middle, but then you spars are considerably improved so I expect the loads are less... erm, agricultural than that.

Looking forward to updating my expectations of simple single handers.    
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Daniel Holman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Mar 14 at 10:31pm
I think I need a long rest after all of this.
You could go out of class and stick a D One rig in there with some moderate bodging  Wink
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well on a small puddle like Broxbourne, Dan was a damn quicker than my Phantom on the water at the FoM. Admittedly he's a much quicker sailor than I, but considering that my boat is considered as a puddle bandit I was surprised how quick the Punk was. Very slippery and accelerated quickly. A very nice boat and well put together. Now how about a version for lardarses like me Dan?

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Originally posted by SimonW99

Russ,

Fully understand the points, its the traveller that is the differentiator, but apart from a megabyte I have never had one on a una rigged hiker.  As always, most important thing is to sail the boat that suits where you can sail and which suits your lifestyle. As I sail on open water I am getting a bit bored of kneeling downwind in the light, so D-One currently more interesting. DZero has a narrow cockpit, so interesting to see whether kneeling is needed at any point such as in the light or sailing by the lee. 

I like the cleats at the mast I just think that split tails could come out and maybe a small mod on the base's of the mainsheet cleats would allow a hoop to loosely attach them. Still very simple but means easier access up the beat. 

Dan, I thought you were sailing off 1050 in the punk, which is usefully quick for a user friendly una rig, but surely not near d-one pace? As I sail a Supernova  1071 can't see DZero or aero being faster than 1030 ish surely or am I missing something? That said it doesn't matter what the number is as long as its a nicer more modern sail than the old knee wrecker.... Pinch


Yep good point. It will live with a D One or Rs400 upwind in the light to medium until RM limited when the near double beam of the D One takes over - same with windy white sail reaches - a horsepower thing. Likewise VMG running once in breeze and space the D One will be a fair bit quicker, but you can hang onto the coat tails of these quicker boats a surprising amount largely in the lighter stuff and around the cans.
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Originally posted by E.J.

I very much like the boat and will be getting a test sail as they become available. I have a question regarding the controls; the 3 cleats are evenly spaced at the mast base but the distance between them gives the appearance that the one furthest from each hiking position (cunningham on 1 tack and outhaul on the other)will be difficult to adjust whist hiking due to the acute angle on a fixed cleat. Is this the case?

This issue could be nullified or Improved if the cleats were swivelled using a bulls eye. Is there any scope in the layout for preferences like the Supernova or is nailed down tight ala Laser.


Hi, spacing is small really - say 50mm, which when you are nearly a metre away longitudinally doesn't make a big tangent so a small difference in angle. The harken extreme angle fairlead can cleat and uncleat at 90deg from the angle of the fairlead (harkens words not mine) so that is fine. Swivel cleats are bigger bulkier and more expensive - if after 5y of sailing the prototype I thought that they would represent an improvement then I would have included them.
I hope you have a great test sail and will see what I mean.
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Russ,

Fully understand the points, its the traveller that is the differentiator, but apart from a megabyte I have never had one on a una rigged hiker.  As always, most important thing is to sail the boat that suits where you can sail and which suits your lifestyle. As I sail on open water I am getting a bit bored of kneeling downwind in the light, so D-One currently more interesting. DZero has a narrow cockpit, so interesting to see whether kneeling is needed at any point such as in the light or sailing by the lee. 

I like the cleats at the mast I just think that split tails could come out and maybe a small mod on the base's of the mainsheet cleats would allow a hoop to loosely attach them. Still very simple but means easier access up the beat. 

Dan, I thought you were sailing off 1050 in the punk, which is usefully quick for a user friendly una rig, but surely not near d-one pace? As I sail a Supernova  1071 can't see DZero or aero being faster than 1030 ish surely or am I missing something? That said it doesn't matter what the number is as long as its a nicer more modern sail than the old knee wrecker.... Pinch
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I very much like the boat and will be getting a test sail as they become available. I have a question regarding the controls; the 3 cleats are evenly spaced at the mast base but the distance between them gives the appearance that the one furthest from each hiking position (cunningham on 1 tack and outhaul on the other)will be difficult to adjust whist hiking due to the acute angle on a fixed cleat. Is this the case?

This issue could be nullified or Improved if the cleats were swivelled using a bulls eye. Is there any scope in the layout for preferences like the Supernova or is nailed down tight ala Laser.
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Yes, on a narrow boat like the D Zero I'd rather have the control cleats at the mast base than the sides - the pull angle for your arm is much more awkward for side cleats.
I don't mind admitting I have deposits down on both the Zero and the Aero. I'm leaning towards the Zero for exactly the reasons Russ outlines, but will make my decision once I've sailed production versions of both. I had been looking to get a Solo, but as I mentioned elsewhere, they are looking poor value at the moment in comparison to both these. But they do offer the chance of a fleet race every week.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Daniel Holman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Mar 14 at 9:19pm
No loss of rig control, Simon. Still have cunno; vang; outhaul; mainsheet; traveller (ie AOA of boom) and chocks for rake which I understand is the same as the D One has.
Won't be as fast VMG running on open water in any breeze, but the rest of the time it won't be far off, and the lord giveth and the lord taketh away.
Long tail on controls dead ended on dagger handle means worst case reach into CL.
Easier to apply more force on controls when the cleat isn't close to you, so less purchase less blocks less cleats less rope less elastic.
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