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maxibuddah ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Mar 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1760 |
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Its a pretty boat, but aren't some of you d-one sailors? The Dzero is nice looking, but why would you lose a kite, speed and all that rig control?
My only concern is the controls all forwards, but you could split lines after they come through the cleats and take one to either side which would be very easy. It will be interesting to see what the final boat turns out like. |
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Ruscoe ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 12 Jan 10 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1514 |
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Just one of us simon, I quite like the simplicity of the control systems, not sure why anyone would need it split either side on a boat unless it's as wide as a d1. Like you say you can split the tail if needs be, but I would expect you could tie the kicker off on the dagger board handle ala laser. As for switching from d1, I am not fully decided. I have paid my deposit for a zero, subject to sailing it. In terms of rig control it looks exactly the same as the d1, just without the centre traveller. The kite is great on the d1 and I love the boat. It's a great flying machine with few vices, it's now just about found it's space in the market and I guess it's almost at the point where it doesn't need a demo donkey. Not only that my life has changed massively in the last couple of years. My new job means I am away from home and under considerable pressure so I just want to sail locally, I don't really want to travel massive distances. I live in a particularly bad part of the country for fast boat sailing, I can travel 5 minutes to my local ditch and have great racing and a beer. So that's where I am at the moment. For me the zero was a no brainer. It's designed by a chap I would now call a mate, the retailer is a small business run by too lovely people who I would again call friends. It's built by arguably the worlds best boat builder, the sails, hull design, mast all look excellent value and beautifully built. The boat is very light and has water line length on its side, it looks friggin cool and it's £5500 why would I look at anything else?
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Daniel Holman ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 17 Nov 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 997 |
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No loss of rig control, Simon. Still have cunno; vang; outhaul; mainsheet; traveller (ie AOA of boom) and chocks for rake which I understand is the same as the D One has.
Won't be as fast VMG running on open water in any breeze, but the rest of the time it won't be far off, and the lord giveth and the lord taketh away. Long tail on controls dead ended on dagger handle means worst case reach into CL. Easier to apply more force on controls when the cleat isn't close to you, so less purchase less blocks less cleats less rope less elastic. Cheers! |
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Yes, on a narrow boat like the D Zero I'd rather have the control cleats at the mast base than the sides - the pull angle for your arm is much more awkward for side cleats.
I don't mind admitting I have deposits down on both the Zero and the Aero. I'm leaning towards the Zero for exactly the reasons Russ outlines, but will make my decision once I've sailed production versions of both. I had been looking to get a Solo, but as I mentioned elsewhere, they are looking poor value at the moment in comparison to both these. But they do offer the chance of a fleet race every week. |
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E.J. ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 19 Feb 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 184 |
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I very much like the boat and will be getting a test sail as they become available. I have a question regarding the controls; the 3 cleats are evenly spaced at the mast base but the distance between them gives the appearance that the one furthest from each hiking position (cunningham on 1 tack and outhaul on the other)will be difficult to adjust whist hiking due to the acute angle on a fixed cleat. Is this the case?
This issue could be nullified or Improved if the cleats were swivelled using a bulls eye. Is there any scope in the layout for preferences like the Supernova or is nailed down tight ala Laser. |
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Russ,
Fully understand the points, its the traveller that is the differentiator, but apart from a megabyte I have never had one on a una rigged hiker. As always, most important thing is to sail the boat that suits where you can sail and which suits your lifestyle. As I sail on open water I am getting a bit bored of kneeling downwind in the light, so D-One currently more interesting. DZero has a narrow cockpit, so interesting to see whether kneeling is needed at any point such as in the light or sailing by the lee. I like the cleats at the mast I just think that split tails could come out and maybe a small mod on the base's of the mainsheet cleats would allow a hoop to loosely attach them. Still very simple but means easier access up the beat. Dan, I thought you were sailing off 1050 in the punk, which is usefully quick for a user friendly una rig, but surely not near d-one pace? As I sail a Supernova 1071 can't see DZero or aero being faster than 1030 ish surely or am I missing something? That said it doesn't matter what the number is as long as its a nicer more modern sail than the old knee wrecker....
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Daniel Holman ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 17 Nov 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 997 |
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Hi, spacing is small really - say 50mm, which when you are nearly a metre away longitudinally doesn't make a big tangent so a small difference in angle. The harken extreme angle fairlead can cleat and uncleat at 90deg from the angle of the fairlead (harkens words not mine) so that is fine. Swivel cleats are bigger bulkier and more expensive - if after 5y of sailing the prototype I thought that they would represent an improvement then I would have included them. I hope you have a great test sail and will see what I mean. Dan |
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Daniel Holman ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 17 Nov 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 997 |
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Yep good point. It will live with a D One or Rs400 upwind in the light to medium until RM limited when the near double beam of the D One takes over - same with windy white sail reaches - a horsepower thing. Likewise VMG running once in breeze and space the D One will be a fair bit quicker, but you can hang onto the coat tails of these quicker boats a surprising amount largely in the lighter stuff and around the cans. |
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maxibuddah ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Mar 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1760 |
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well on a small puddle like Broxbourne, Dan was a damn quicker than my Phantom on the water at the FoM. Admittedly he's a much quicker sailor than I, but considering that my boat is considered as a puddle bandit I was surprised how quick the Punk was. Very slippery and accelerated quickly. A very nice boat and well put together. Now how about a version for lardarses like me Dan?
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