Icon Class Association

Hi Jeremy

Good to see you taking an interest - again ...  1020 was first mooted a few seasons ago when we had a Tasar type rig on an adapted (smaller) NS hull as you must know... In time we simplified the rig, went for a centreboard and tried a number of rig variants .. The aim was to have Tasar performance in breeze but Phantom type perfomance in the lighter stuff ... the light wind performance  being the relative weakness of the Tasar.  That early hull was however too tweaky for regular crews, still not so good in the light winds and was a relatively poor weight carrier. 

The production hull owes a lot to the NS predecessor but is obviously less extreme and is both longer and slightly wider.  The underside is a lot fuller and even has a tad of reverse rocker in the last metre..  Anyway it works and is a joy to sail, carries weight well now and is remarkably forgiving without ever being boring.  It is faster, of course it is, and you and we have discussed it on many occasions both in the bar ( ! ) and more formally and mostly constructively in a couple of sailing committee meetings.  

For the record the last time it was reviewed at Burghfield was only a few months ago and the sailing committee and PRO who attended adjusted/confirmed it to a local number of 1000 - this after more than TWO years of regular club races.  Presumably as rational beings they had their reasons.  I know you wanted it lower ... well you would, we would expect no less of course .. but it was set/confirmed at 1000.

At that meeting I was perhaps a bit cheeky in offering to loan a demo Icon to any present for them to derive what pleasures they could from the Icon experience.  And I repeat the offer now - Do us all a favour, risk all reputation yourself, lead the way with action as well as words and take up that offer now.  Not for a day, you might need a few more to get the best out of it, so take one for say a month.   Sail it flat out and then review your results. .... on here possibly ?

But maybe lend me your best N12 so in that time so I can have a bash at getting towards your class handicap as well... we are far too heavy for a 12 of course but I am always happy to take my chances on that.  The one who gets closest to the handicap gets bought beers by the other .. no make that several !   If you don't want the size 10's and 11's crunching around your boat then just borrow an Icon and save me from the anticpated crash diet stuff.   I'll even buy beer anyway if needed.

It would be a lot more fun than 'death by forum' and the regular grinding of teeth surely ? ....  You could just 'dare to be really different' 

Cheers - Mike L.  (who will now hopefully remain offline now until next week)


Edited by blaze720 - 27 Feb 14 at 9:37pm

Originally posted by iGRF I think an RS500 at 975 against an icon at 969 would annihilate it even with me at the helm.

Originally posted by iGRF  how can a boat like that now have a fair race with a trapezed hull like the RS500 on open water? Can you sail a tack for more than two minutes in any direction at Burghfield without having to change direction?

Graeme, that plot comes off the rya pys site, nothing to do with me. As a club that subscribes to the online system you upload all the results straight out of sailwave and the pys system then generates the results. The plot comes straight out of that. Same sort of plot can be extrapolated for any class. If your club submits in this way then l am sure you could ask to see similar plots for classes sailed.

Jeremy

Originally posted by blaze720 An occasional  panel of 'the good and the wise' try out new boats on the water

The trouble is a one day or one weekend event is probably going to be worthless. You only have to look at major handicap event results to see why. Even a weeks event like ISAF class trials have been is going to be prone to weather problems. You have to have a variety of weather otherwise there's little point. Don't get me wrong: if the major manufacturers want to pay me generous expenses to come and sail their boats to demonstrate how fast they are with a reasonably typical overweight mid fleet helm on board then I'd probably be up for it, at least if it were somewhere reasonably local, but I'm not sure it would really prove any more than a basic paper exercise like the one I did above.

Is all the leading data available for the D-one and the new RS yet? I'll happily have a go at a paper estimate and you can all laugh at me in two years time or whenever/if ever they get sufficient boats on the water to justify a published number. But I reckon I'll probably get to about +- 30 points (remember that's 2 or 3 points in the original PY system) and I bet that's at least as reliable as a one day only sailoff.

I want waterline length, waterline beam, sail area, ideally luff length, overall length, overall beam and photos of the hulls upside down. Reckon that should be enough to get in the area. Really much the same as Dan does with his spreadsheet.