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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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I did wonder, they're all telling me down the lake I should be in a Streaker.. |
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yellowwelly ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 May 13 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2003 |
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Finns aren't boring downwind, far from it. Unstayed rigs provide bucket loads of tactical options, plus they just feel nice. Even the Laser is good fun DDW. I think the Finn has to be up there as one of the most rewarding single handers to sail, but they just cost about 18 grand new... and shiny toys are always better.
Phantoms on the other hand, kneeling the bottom, planning how to tack around the gybe mark, all that rig control gubbins just to square the main.... yep, that can be boring for some. For me for sure. Given a forced choice, I'd swallow my pride and get a D-1 instead.... at least you can sit on the side going downwind.
Fortunately the D-Zero has followed the unstayed mantra... good stuff. It will be far from boring downwind and hopefully it will quite decent chunk cheaper than half a Finn and be nicer to pull up the slipway. I'm with Getafix, this has some real potential. Edited by yellowwelly - 25 Feb 14 at 9:51am |
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Presuming Ed ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 26 Feb 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 641 |
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An OK is for people who want to build their own Finn. Or at least, it used to be.
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Daniel Holman ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 17 Nov 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 997 |
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Hi, I envisage that you could be fully competitive across a range of conditions from 70 to 90kgs and as such the D zero is a natural competitor to all of those boats - with the exception of the medium to larger Finn / phant sailors and smaller streaker/splash/Europe sailors. To talk of usp is maybe a little myopic. There are no gimmicks per se to differentiate for the sake of differentiation, more a progressive philosophy of trying to do a lot of things a little bit better. All of the classes quoted above with the exception of the RS aero existed in 2005 when I had some cash and wanted a "performance beachboat for the 21st century." Maybe if the aero had existed I could have saved myself some work! Anyway, I didn't feel catered for by any of these boats due to some combination of shortcomings in the areas of: performance; total cost of ownership; weight; ergonomics; cost; styling etc. Having sailed lasers at a decent level for a decade, I understood and enjoyed the techniques and the style of sailing, but also the value of off the beach leisure versatility and robustness. I guess I looked at doing a boat to a similar brief 40 years on, unhindered by baggage of legacy min weights, half century old material tech, class rules, a design that must be realisable in sheet plywood etc. I am realistic that no boat can be all things to all men, but that good design is about intelligent management of compromises. As such I hope that it will be of interest to a lot of sailors. Dan |
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scotsfinn ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 17 May 12 Location: Glasgow Online Status: Offline Posts: 284 |
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Great resopnse Dan - spot - on . For me it'd probably be the Finn (again) or D-one - but that is because I weigh 95kg, but the D Zero looks great and I'm sure wll be great to sail.
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Largs Sailing Club. D-Zero GBR 57, B14 744
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Times 10 ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 02 Nov 12 Location: Doncaster Online Status: Offline Posts: 18 |
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'Zero' that was the name of my Mirror back in the day. Sail number was 54321. |
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NickA ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 30 Mar 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 784 |
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Oh .. yes. Too right. Steve Cockrell is rather good in them. I always thought they were old fashioned lasers for bigger people. Now I find they're more Lightening 368y. Thanks for the correction. .. and a concise and intelligent reply from the designer himself. I'm honoured. Looking forward to a look on Saturday. 27 unarig single handed hikers in the PY list, now two more. It's an even more crowded house than I thought, and yet still not everyone can find one they like!
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yellowwelly ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 May 13 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2003 |
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I'm sure they can... trouble is no one else sails them in any great numbers nearby.
D-Zero / RS Aero aside, the OK and Finn would be right up there... but neither justify spending their requisite costs just to bum around a spreadsheet fleet.
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craiggo ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1810 |
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Eh!
What requisite costs are you talking about for an OK. A decent example with tin rig can be had for £1500 and for a couple of grand you'd buy yourself a shiny new carbon spar and new rags. |
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yellowwelly ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 May 13 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2003 |
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a new one is about 8ish last time I checked. I don't really like other people's old tat.... doesn't stop it being a spreadsheet only option around here though. I guess I could follow the Dart 15s and a 49er around and pretend to myself it was proper racing...
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