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    Posted: 14 Feb 14 at 12:16pm
The conclusion, 3 years on, would seem to be that foiling isn't for the masses.
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Surely the Glide Free foiling laser opens up foiling to the masses?  All the guys in Aus have used the radial rig as the standard is too powerful for foiling  at your "standard" laserish weight. even with the radial rig plus 100kg guys have been foiling in 12 knots. Plus you can throw the kit on a 200 quid boat and go foiling very cheaply. Will be at the dinghy show too! Wink
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Originally posted by Rupert

The conclusion, 3 years on, would seem to be that foiling isn't for the masses.

It may come, but as part of a package.  For example, batteries and electric motors in cars - for sure, it's coming, but lets face it, not at the pace some 'experts' predicted.  Foiling in moth fashion will always require a certain amount of water to operate in - OK you could make a foiling Mirror or Oppy but frankly why??? 

So T-foils, curved daggers and lift-tabs rather than hydro-foils could be the mass-market answer?
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Who was it that turned up at the Dinghy Show a few years ago with a 'peoples foiler' all sorted and ready to go? I spoke to him, a young chap. In my mind it was Daniel Holman but I suppose it cant have been?
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That was Linton (?) with the Tomahawk - it was always touted as purely a development hack and not a production ready boat. I've no idea what happened to it....
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I've been wondering for some time whether, if you've got the time, energy and commitment to make any foiler work half decently, well most likely you can learn to sail a Moth, and if you haven't, well you aren't going to be sailing any foilers anyway. Result is those who are keen enough end up with Moths rather than something compromised.
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And by all accounts, the systems and tech have made moth sailing a step closer to accessible. For those committed enough anyway.
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Linton Jenkins, he's also the guy that got the RS600ff going, I need to try and get hold of him again, but right now I bet he's cut off from Portland with the weather issues.

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It was Linton Jenkins with some affiliation at the time / that project with ovington.
I saw the boat sailing in about a f4 in Portland harbour. Bearing in mind Linton must be 60kgs soaking wet, and very handy, he was only getting it up, so to speak, with difficulty, on a beam reach. Think it could have been ok insofar aS there wouldn't be a control mechanism per se, trouble is having a. Big enough lifting surface to fly made it hard to get going in the first place.
I think that these new moths are so refined now and with the speed increase the opt weight has come up a lot so there just isn't the reason to go with something else.
Only possible gain would be in a more stable platform off the foils, but that would necessarily be so big and need clever raising retracting foils to beach because you couldn't manhandle it so it's a big increase in hassle and complexity.
Think a class cats on foils would get beat around a course by a moth (can't retract windward lifting surfaces so not as much righting moment as you'd like, only curved foils rather than pure hydrofoils)
The great and good of the sailing world with literally millions of dollars on the whole struggled with reliable controllable foiling on a (more initially stable) cat platform at the c class champs.
If we go back to the hobie tri foiler it is apparently big, quite complicated ie difficult to launch solo, and once you get ripping apparently quite an uninvolving ride.

I think moths are the peoples foilers. If you can sail a laser you can sail a modern one in a straight line, it would seem. Corners / racecourses / inland/ windy and light obv are tougher.
The inflatable wing bladders mean that you can chill and eat a sandwich in a way you couldn't in a lot of (slower) skiff classes in any breeze.
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Thank you chaps, Tomahawk, that was it. Judging by the large pre entry for the Moth Worlds, Moth is indeed the 'Peoples Foiler' now!

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