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    Posted: 10 Feb 14 at 10:02pm
Originally posted by gordon

One key point - there is a difference between:
  • abandoning a race - which is an action by the race committee or protest committee. An abadoned race may be resailed
  • not scoring a race - in which case the race has been sailed but not abandoned, and cannot be resailed
This might be a bit misleading in the context of a race with no finishers.

The only circumstance where a race in which no boat finishes is not required to be abandoned by rule 35 is where the race committee has failed to include a time limit in the SI.

The rules expect a time limit to be prescribed and the standard SI in Appendix L provide for this as a matter of course.  I think there is a principle underlying rule 35 that if no boat finishes a race should be abandoned.

So:
  • one boat finishing constitutes a race (rule 90.3( a );  and
  • no boats finishing race should be abandoned.
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Originally posted by Blue One

Originally posted by Brass

Originally posted by Blue One

Originally posted by patj

If only two boats started the race it sounds like you need a rule about how many boats are required on the start line for a race to start. It's set at 3 at our puddle and 4 at the big pond.
Why?
At our club, as long as one person wants to race, we have a race.
The only exception to this is if the weather is so bad that the committee member running the race decides to abandon it. Which has never happened in my 15 years at the club
Mate, this has got 'dangerously gung-ho' written all over it.

I suggest that your race officers seriously need some more training and practice at race/no-race risk analysis.

Think you don't know enough about us, as you've miss read it a little. Confused Will fill you in. 
I sail on a tiny puddle ( 10 acres) in the middle of England. ( Google Mid Warwickshire Yacht Club)Its not like we sail on the sea or sidney harbour. Rescue is always close at hand and even if it wasn't, it's only like swimming the length of a swimming pool to the bank. Smile

And to finish, the reason the committee member has never needed to abandon a race is because the sailors themselves decide not to sail before the race. 
We are mostly middle-aged men and women, our gung ho days are long gone. Lol.  Smile

On a personal point, I have sailed in the past at clubs that did not have rescue cover or poor rescue cover. So I am very used to doing race/ no race analysis.
I may have misjudged your club, and I didn't mean to suggest that you personally were not a prudent sailor.

I'm not a safety fanatic, but once people start saying proudly that 'we have never abandoned a race for bad weather' you are on the slippery slope. 


Edited by Brass - 10 Feb 14 at 9:51pm
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Good job i don't have a spinny then. :)

Re the open meetings. That walk is why our supernova sailors stopped going to opens there.
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Originally posted by Time Lord

True but fortunately the tide only goes out once every 12-15 years and you can fly the spinnaker.

Even worse at Draycote is the walk that encounter when you go there for an open meeting as you get banished to an area as far away on one side of the club as the carpark is on the other!


I'll 2nd that sentiment - the DWSC landlords are such a frienldy, welcoming, inclusive bunch, aren't they?
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True but fortunately the tide only goes out once every 12-15 years and you can fly the spinnaker.

Even worse at Draycote is the walk that encounter when you go there for an open meeting as you get banished to an area as far away on one side of the club as the carpark is on the other!
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Our sailing area is small but at least we have a sailing area, all year, every year. Lol :)
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Originally posted by Time Lo itrd

Its also further than the sail across their pond.

You beat me to the punch line
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Its also further than the sail across their pond.
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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by Blue One

( Google Mid Warwickshire Yacht Club)Its not like we sail on the sea or Sydney harbour.

I did..
Access to the site is via the footpath between numbers 145 and 147 Leam Terrace East.

Isn't that wonderful. In how many other countries could that be the directions to a Sailing club?



I bet the walk from Leam Terrace is not as far as the walk from Draycote's car park to its Clubhouse.

Been doing it for more years than I care to remember. Seems perfectly normal.

We do abandon races for ice.
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To get into one of the Thames clubs (Upper Thames?), you have to walk across the railway lines with lots of notices warning that trains can ruin your day. Fortunately its a quiet line.

And isn't there another Thames club where visitors park their boats across the Thames and the club sends a boat to collect them and take them across to the club?
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