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    Posted: 29 Jan 14 at 10:20am
Its a sport its supposed to be fun if you don't enjoy you don't have to go out!!

Some like pushing themselves to the limits, some like pottering around when its sunny and warm!! I have far more respect for those that are honest and admit that they don't enjoy it or cant cope than those who go out when they shouldn't and get into trouble OR take the mick out of people who aren't in their comfort zone!!

But no matter which way you look at it however good you are there was a 10 minute or so period when Northampton was completely un sailable no matter how good you were and the fact that nobody was too badly broken was pretty lucky!!!

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Interesting picture of the lightning at Northampton football ground last Saturday

http://www.northampton-news-hp.co.uk/imagelibrary/Client%20Images/Client00004/00905000/00905590.jpg

As good a reason for keeping the mast pointing down as any!!!!

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I don't think anyone is taking the piss, or indeed giving it 'bravado max'; but we do all face our fears and mental barriers in differing ways. Some of us prefer to use a bit a caution mixed with fatalism and Yodaism- 'do or do not, there is no try'... No one is saying that is right, any more than irrational fears are wrong.
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When I say take the piss etc I wasn't referring to this conversation I was referring to your average bar talk when there is always somebody spouting off about what they are capable of and what everybody else should be capable of!!!!
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Many of people fears are born from physical limitations.

I can imagine it would be quite scary knowing that you don't have the strength to pull yourself back into the boat after a capsize ... I think that would make me afraid to capsize as the downsides are not good.

If you are in that position you either need to work on fitness or perhaps sail a boat with lower freeboard or sail a 2 person boat with someone fitter who knows you will need help back in or stop sailing ... I think sailing in the knowledge that a capsize could have serious implications is pretty risky as a capsize can easily occur.

My biggest concern was separation from the boat on a capsize so I clip the tail of my mainsheet to my BA. 
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Originally posted by Ruscoe

Originally posted by 2547

Originally posted by Hector

Originally posted by yellowwelly


In a week or two you'll chalk that up to experience; one you might hope to not repeat, but an experience that will in someway have enriched your life for the better.

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Yep ... it is always the horrible gnarly days that stick in the memory .... bring 'em on ...

Whilst I'm sure most dinghy sailors love a gnarly day, this was somewhat more than that.  It was a freak storm which was unsailable and life threatening IMO.  It would be enough to put the most hardcore sailors off sailing again.  Luckily no one was hurt, but I should imagine many have a new found respect for Mother Nature.  It's certainly one to talk about at the club bar!

It's been interesting following this thread while I couldn't post, and some FB stuff too.  

The debate about self-imposed limits/confidence is interesting, but what I take away from this is that in what was arguably the worst conditions UK dinghy sailing has been exposed to in signifcant numbers due to freak strong winds in the depths of winter (water cold even if air not that bad).  Which were demonstrably unsailable, and yes potentially life threatening.

But the fact is nobody did die, I have heard no reports of significant injury (including cold injury - whoever it was who complained about the lack of warm water in the shower - you weren't that cold or you wouldn't have cared!) (See Tiger Trophy 12 - delayed shower for 45 minutes in order not to damage feet by rapid warming).  Which to me shows that the control measures in place for the risks were adequate....And we can bring this forward when the Health and Safety Bde show up.
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I chose not to go to the Steve N because I knew it was going to be too windy for me, though I had no idea it would be THAT windy.  I have retired from  almost all the sailjuice races this year because while I am learning the boat I am more prone to capsize.  When I do capsize I can right the boat and get back into it.  But I am very aware that while I am faffing about in the wet stuff I am tying up the safety boat that is  waiting, so I go in.  I am not there for.a result, I am there to learn my boat in competition conditions,not to spoil or endanger anyone else's fun.  I do sometimes think while I am watching that there are plenty who ought to do likewise, but on the other hand, how else do they learn to cope?

I have had a mass of nasty capsizes over my 30 years of racing, and it's these that have taught me to stay calm, how to deal with various conditions and situations, and most importantly,when I am better off ashore.

And by the way, while some capsize recovery skill is without doubt down to fitness, a awful lot is down to technique.  That show at 52 I can keep going!
the same, but different...

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Pah! Spring Chicken Nessa.......I am 68......52 was ok!
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Originally posted by sargesail

But the fact is nobody did die, I have heard no reports of significant injury (including cold injury - whoever it was who complained about the lack of warm water in the shower - you weren't that cold or you wouldn't have cared!) (See Tiger Trophy 12 - delayed shower for 45 minutes in order not to damage feet by rapid warming).  Which to me shows that the control measures in place for the risks were adequate....And we can bring this forward when the Health and Safety Bde show up.

Worries me a bit this para.

I am not a medical doctor nor an expert in Hypothermia and would like someone who is to comment. As a sailor you are both strong and fit, some of the contributers have indicated age influences their decision in relation to cold water immersion, at first sight it might look like delaying warming up might be a preferred option.
I am sure you don't mean that, so it might be a good idea to clarify the circumstances. Cold and old don't mix !
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