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    Posted: 24 Jan 14 at 10:45am
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Originally posted by Do Different

Yellowwelley. Sometimes you are a little too polarised for me. But I'm liking a lot in your 09.52 post. 

Thank you.  Extending this further, our clubs are 'sailing clubs', not 'racing clubs'.  Mike is right, there is a circuit for purist class racing, and when numbers justify it, then results are extracted anyway- informally in the bar, or by a filter on the spreadsheet.  We all know how well we did against the other boat in our class- we make it a point of reference through a handicap race to assess how well we are doing.

The truth is we all should know who we are racing- it's the boats around us, the ones we swap places with- not the guy in the 49er who laps you and you may or may not beat them depending on whether the wind dies or not.  Keeping this mind, I think there's a very strong argument that diversity of boats actually sailing enhances the experience, especially if it compliments a few class opens every year.

However this experience, let's call it the competitive process (I think Holman first called it that and it made sense) is then subjected to some scrutiny.  The credibility for what has just taken place is lost, and the results become a mishmash, a jumble of the actual finishing positions.  Add in an unhealthy dose of misunderstanding and scepticism towards the whole system and you end up with what we are left with- neither one thing nor the other.   Which goes someway towards explaining my admittedly 'bi-polar' attitude towards dinghy racing.  Basically handicap racing is a classic example of paralysis by analysis- I guess that's what happens when a leisure activity is taken over by statisticians...  

The best race I did last year was on a freeride windsurf board.  In no wind.  With over 200 other competitors.  I'd forgotten how to tack it (no one tacks windsurf boards).  And I was utterly, utterly uncompetitive- the race was won by a skinny guy on a 1980's longboard.  However the atmosphere was electric... the balance between competition and cooperation was beautiful.  I got knocked off at the windward mark with a bunch of sailors and in the bundled mess of boards and sails, helped someone back up and going again before I got back on and up hauled away...  I made it my job to beat them to the finish.  It was the perfect point of reference.  And I did it, despite being dressed as a bottle of Heineken which added a further 15 kilos once wet.   It was truly an eye-opening experience, and it's the sort of experience that we could have at local sailing clubs... but maybe we should hold fire on the fancy dress.  It could get expensive for wardrobe changes.  




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Originally posted by yellowwelly

  I got knocked off at the windward mark with a bunch of sailors and in the bundled mess of boards and sails, helped someone back up and going again before I got back on and up hauled away...  I made it my job to beat them to the finish.  It was the perfect point of reference.  And I did it, despite being dressed as a bottle of Heineken which added a further 15 kilos once wet.   It was truly an eye-opening experience, and it's the sort of experience that we could have at local sailing clubs... but maybe we should hold fire on the fancy dress.  It could get expensive for wardrobe changes.  



Great story, in dinghy racing I have experienced the same situation but with a very different response, shouting, swearing etc, I just wonder if the relationship between dinghy/boards is similar to cars/motorbikes.

Fancy dress has its place surely, how can you loose your temper with a bottle of Heineken?
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In all seriousness I reckon board racing has effectively died in all but a few locations, therefore once it comes back on occasions it's done with a very good spirit and atmosphere.  I'm sure Graeme can offer insight into when board racing went all elite and overly-serious- losing sight of what it was that made it so attractive in the first place.  I wonder if dinghy sailing is going up the same alley.... it's certainly become more elite over the years I've been doing it, to the point where it can easily loose relevance in your life.  

Turning the old winter handicap events- which were largely social sailing- into a full blown serious series in its own right, and the constant quest for making handicap racing more serious, more competitive and authoritative, might be done for seemingly the right reasons, I just don't know whether it's taken something away in the process...?  

There's nothing more demoralising that coming off the water thinking you've sailed well, only to find the spreadsheet says you've done sh*t, or your fellow sailors say your boat is a bandit in those conditions.  Although I guess it's nice when it goes in your favour too... the hollow small victory though it is.  It's this kind of thing that can kill someone's mojo- fairly instantly in my experience.  


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As far as I am concerned Sailing is an all enveloping experience. I live very near the club and in the summer months my life moves Home/Club/Pub. We have 5 Lightnings so we have bijou class racing and I know my place...last. If I am not last I treat it as victory! If it is too windy I don't sail but stay in the clubhouse talking to the wags and drinking tea. I like boats and I like people so I play with boats and I talk to people. Our days extend into the pub.

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Originally posted by iitick

As far as I am concerned Sailing is an all enveloping experience. I live very near the club and in the summer months my life moves Home/Club/Pub. We have 5 Lightnings so we have bijou class racing and I know my place...last. If I am not last I treat it as victory! If it is too windy I don't sail but stay in the clubhouse talking to the wags and drinking tea. I like boats and I like people so I play with boats and I talk to people. Our days extend into the pub.

I celebrate my life. It is a sailing life, how many of you are like me?




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Currently things like sorting kids for school and the odd bit of work get in the way, but what you describe is pretty much how I see things being if I get lucky when older. My life is certainly a sailing life. I have tried to fight it in the past, but my mid term plan is now to get more sailing into my life, hopefully getting trained up to share sailing by teaching others, and therefore earning a little from sailing again, too.
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Originally posted by Rupert

 but what you describe is pretty much how I see things being if I get lucky when older.

yep- couldn't put it better.  Retirement (or semi retirement) needs to factor in 3 days on the water for an hour or two every week; except when on holiday, where I will be on the water every day.  

In the interim I've just been to the butchers to buy the meat for the friends that have been scheduled for weeks to descend on us this weekend. 

No doubt it will be sunny, 12 degrees and a nice force 4 from a consistent direction at Draycote.... enjoy your sailing this weekend.  Whereas next weekend will offer nothing more than a ghost's fart on a mirror...  

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Originally posted by Rupert

Originally posted by iitick

As far as I am concerned Sailing is an all enveloping experience. I live very near the club and in the summer months my life moves Home/Club/Pub. We have 5 Lightnings so we have bijou class racing and I know my place...last. If I am not last I treat it as victory! If it is too windy I don't sail but stay in the clubhouse talking to the wags and drinking tea. I like boats and I like people so I play with boats and I talk to people. Our days extend into the pub.

I celebrate my life. It is a sailing life, how many of you are like me?




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Currently things like sorting kids for school and the odd bit of work get in the way, but what you describe is pretty much how I see things being if I get lucky when older. My life is certainly a sailing life. I have tried to fight it in the past, but my mid term plan is now to get more sailing into my life, hopefully getting trained up to share sailing by teaching others, and therefore earning a little from sailing again, too.


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Originally posted by yellowwelly

 
No doubt it will be sunny, 12 degrees and a nice force 4 from a consistent direction at Draycote.... enjoy your sailing this weekend.  Whereas next weekend will offer nothing more than a ghost's fart on a mirror...  


Currently forecasting rain & F5 gusting F7/8 for Sunday. 
I'll certainly enjoy the memory of it afterwards!
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