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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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Well on a windsurfer, you don't have any of these problems of sails not tacking, or flow not attaching quickly enough and you have a better feel for what's going on because you're holding the sail right there in your hands, so you feel everything.
I'm getting better at sensing things on the dinghy, but I'm still doing it largely through my butt. (Unless it's really light then i can't help myself but stand up and hold the boom directly, always works better for me.) So, a soft sail gives me better response and indication that it's about to stall and the tacking and gybing stuff, so all in all for me full batten OK on a board, but soft is better on boat. |
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Kev M ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 05 Dec 11 Location: Landlocked Online Status: Offline Posts: 346 |
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What did you think of the 300? Was it your first go in one?
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Successfully confusing ambition with ability since 1980.
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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Yes and in all probability my last would you like a list? I barely got back alive. ![]() tbh no sooner than I left the dock I remembered what happened last time I borrowed a boat, so was more concerned with getting back to its owner without breaking it. I found slippy bits in it didn't agree with the shoes I was wearing, the sides so steep i could barely see over the top, never mind climbing the North Face, the wiggle stick so long I worried that it might punch a hole in the sail and a crash gybe, near death role, convinced me to quit whilst it was still the right way up. Edited by iGRF - 19 Jan 14 at 10:05pm |
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yellowwelly ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 May 13 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2003 |
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Great boats Grumpf- even Mr Rooster said something along the lines of WTF was that about on first go!
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Do Different ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 26 Jan 12 Location: North Online Status: Offline Posts: 1312 |
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Had an early one ages ago, briefly
![]() ![]() Makes the Contender look positively gentlemanly.
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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I'd have thought the 300 was the exact kind of boat that grumpf goes on about being inaccessable, elitist and needing loads of time to make it go fast - just what the VTwin was meant to cure.
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Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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Exactly that Rupert, that boat is the dinghy equivalent of a Div 2 Sailboard, which for those who don't know them were round bottom boards that were very very difficult to control off wind even by experts once the wind exceeded 4-5. But upwind were the nicest experience you could find in a race board, short of planing.
Quite honestly as impressed as I was with it's performance and it is fast, I have neither the time, nor the inclination to put into what it would take to become proficient enough just to climb up the side, never mind know what to do with all that wiggle stick and tbh if ever I got V3 built it would knock it into a cocked hat and be easy to sail anyway, so what would be the point? (I'm guessing you have to sail them barefoot and with copious amounts of wax?) Edited by iGRF - 20 Jan 14 at 8:51am |
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sargesail ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Jan 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1459 |
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Easy wins or mastery GRF.....you are the acme of the churn marketeers target.
Yes the 300 does take a bit to get over the performance hump but its worth every swim.....and it's not as bad as many make out.....but you do have to have the stick wiggling basics off pat first....
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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I'm glad boats like the 300 exist, and I'm sure I'm a good enough sailor to be able to sail it, if I spent long enough swimming, but I have to admit that I find I enjoy sailing less tippy boats more. I suppose I subscribe to the school of thinking which says you should be able to jump in a boat as a beginner and then stick with the same boat right through - the Laser is the most obvious example of this - beginner to Olympics. Given how many boats I own/have owned, I guess this is odd thinking for me, though the Firefly has been a constant from the age of 9.
I suppose all GRF is trying to invent is a boat which you can learn in which has the potential to go as fast as something like a Musto Skiff once you are able. For some reason the Cat concept, which appears, for open water at least, to do this perfectly, doesn't fit. Jo Richards must have had similar thoughts for the Vortex (maybe with very early/smaller beginners using the Funboat?!) but there appear to be a whole raft of design constraints that have defeated the brightest of dinghy designing minds, let alone our very own grumpy old man. |
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Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
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yellowwelly ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 May 13 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2003 |
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Why is that? I know the cat thing doesn't really appeal to me. They're great fun for dicking around on a caribbean beach, but a cold winter's day on a pond in Mordor.... nope, not for me.
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