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Originally posted by Simon Lovesey Originally posted by 2547 I have to say the revised PYs being used by the Sailjuice Series do seem to be giving a good mix of classes and types of boats at the top of the scores. We also are not seeing the previous examples of class block outs suggesting the bandit classes have perhaps been leveled off a bit more by the Sailjuice PYs. Does anyone have a list of the key adjustments they have made? The Sailjuice handicaps are on the Noticeboard ,  with changes

Originally posted by 2547 Originally posted by Simon Lovesey Originally posted by 2547 I have to say the revised PYs being used by the Sailjuice Series do seem to be giving a good mix of classes and types of boats at the top of the scores. We also are not seeing the previous examples of class block outs suggesting the bandit classes have perhaps been leveled off a bit more by the Sailjuice PYs. Does anyone have a list of the key adjustments they have made? The Sailjuice handicaps are on the Noticeboard ,  with changes  Some interesting changes there and far more aggressive/bold than the RYA ever do ... seems to be working for these winter events. Is there anything that makes these changes not appropriate for general use?

Good to see some big bold changes being made that avoid the inevitable time lag inherent in the "proper" PY system - take poinjts re this system being adopted in place of PY but given that it should be based solely on winter crowded inland Hcap events, the system may penalise slower more inland suitable boats when racing on more expansive sea courses.

I did notice that, despite its only sailjuice outing last year being the Bloody Mary where she was sailed to joint 270th by Julian Pearson, my Punk boat has had another slip down to 1010 from 1012 - wonder how that was arrived at!
Rs100 is same length, similar weight, 400mm wider on deck, bigger main and a dirty great spinnaker and is only apparently 20 points quicker.
Roll on Graeme's VPP based handicap system*


* Although I admit that would be at least as flawed.

Because all boats have different sailing characteristics, some boats will be suited to some places and weather conditions better than others. I would expect these boats to do well en-mass when everything suited them, otherwise, when are they going to do well? For these one-off races it might make sense to try and even things out for the boats unsuited to the sailing area, but for general handicapping it would be as silly as giving someone a great golf handicap because they decided to play using a tennis racket. 

Originally posted by Daniel Holman [QUOTE=2547] Roll on Graeme's VPP based handicap system* * Although I admit that would be at least as flawed.

You need to help me make it happen.

Give me an algorithm, I'd happily finance the printing and promotion of leaflets, and whatever other things we'd need to make it happen, website maybe.

Although it would be equally flawed, there would not be the doubts of either agenda or buffer competence driven doubt that there is at present. Figures can't be made to lie, whatever 'they' decided to do after the event, there would at least be a firm base to fall back on which is what the current system lacks, they've messed about with it so much now, nobody knows where they are.

"In my opinion, for whatever that is worth, they're statistically unsound. The RYA numbers are on a much firmer foundation,"

...but if clubs started using them instead of RYA PYs they would over time become statistically more sound. From acorns....