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Lukepiewalker ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 May 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1341 |
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Road film. Bethwaite has an experiment in the first HPS book where he tested the effect. Think of all the rubber, oil, diesel, tar and assorted other crap getting thrown up by the wheels of yours and passing vehicles. And consider the effort required to clean the same film off your car.
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Lukepiewalker ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 May 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1341 |
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Or if you are feeling really keen, look at a roundabout after a heavy rainstorm and see the pretty rainbow patterns from all the diesel mixing with the rainwater. Roundabouts are particularly prone to diesel spilling out of lorries as they go round the sharp turn.
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Mark300 ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 03 Jul 13 Online Status: Offline Posts: 6 |
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Bethwaite did indeed look at hull and foil finishes in HPS. He took two identical Laser rudders, finished them both to 1200 grit wet and dry, and then polished one of them to a mirror finish. His experiment using the foils showed the unpolished foil showed a 23% reduction "in cross flow lift force, i.e. the steering force at 11 knots". So he concludes that not only does a polished foil reduce drag, but it improves control.
HPS2 had some measurements on different finishes on 49er hulls, after noting degraded performance in a boat covered in a film traffic grime. He basically concluded that the higher the polish, the less the resistance (can't find the page in the book, its a heavy read that one). |
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sandgrounder ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 01 Apr 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 220 |
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Teflon is a polymer, hence the potential for conflict. I know a World Champion / Olympian who avoids teflon based polishes for this reason.
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Mark300 ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 03 Jul 13 Online Status: Offline Posts: 6 |
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You are right - it is in HPS, two boats go to the same venue and back uncovered, one gets washed and cleaned, the other doesn't. 2% difference in hull drag according to Bethwaites experiment. His conclusions are (i) and polished clean hull is fastest, (ii) there is no evidence to support the "a rough surface holds a layer of water on the hull and is fast" claims, and (iii) the area of shark skin type finishes is not sufficiently understood to replicate into dinghies hull finishes. |
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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Gel coat's a polymer too. So is epoxy resin and polyurethane paint. These papers includes some of the sorts of research that prompted the ban. http://conservancy.umn.edu/bitstream/114203/1/pr090.pdf http://deepblue.lib.umich.edu/bitstream/handle/2027.42/62411/belbing_1.pdf?sequence=1 The crucial part of the rule is that its a water soluble polymer that is *ejected or released* into the water, thus causing pollution. That is not what's going on when you apply a conventional polish - ie anything you can buy from a car shop, because they don't eject or release anything as part of the function of the polish. Either your man misunderstands the rule, or possibly you've misunderstood him. Edited by JimC - 13 Dec 13 at 11:28am |
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sandgrounder ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 01 Apr 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 220 |
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Gelcoat, epoxy resin and polyurethane paint don't dissolve in water.
Teflon based polymer polish applied to hull / foils does dissolve in water.
I only know what he told me - he's a lot closer to ISAF than I am.
There are many alternative methods of achieving a superior finish to hull and more importantly foils, one of which I've mentioned above. Why would you take the risk at that level of competition?
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MerlinMags ![]() Admin Group ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 Mar 04 Location: UK, Guildford Online Status: Offline Posts: 588 |
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This was published in many dinghy racing books of the 80s, but has since been proven wrong. Smoother/polished is better, according to all the modern books. |
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getafix ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Mar 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2143 |
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So what's the best product, having done some investigation after earlier posts I now see Farecla is a rubbing/cuting compound, so basically another variation on t-cut (perhaps not as 'harsh'). Once my hull is smooth, what's the best 'polish', or 'teflon wax', to keep it clean and slippery?
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green vinyl wrap innit?
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