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yellowwelly ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 May 13 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2003 |
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@toby... I'm going to type some words now that may or may not resonate...
'big lake syndrome' Just a hunch at this stage, not even a fully formed opinion yet.
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boatshed ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 12 Apr 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 457 |
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Good thread which is in danger of veering off course in a good way.
My observation is that it's pretty hard to complete a series without scoring some DNC. For most of us, life just gets in the way. And for those that do complete a series, without counting any DNCs but come last in every race will invariably finish high in the final rankings for that series. Results for a series will show a huge overall entry but many of the competitors will score one or no actual race results, which does look a bit odd. So, the reality of the action on the water is very different to a casual glance at the Saliwave results pages. We just have to accept there often not enough active boats to form sensible sized classes, even in the bigger clubs. There are numerous reasons for this which can be argued elsewhere. Clubs have to work with what they've got and provide the best racing they can. Although Yellow Welly has an utter abhorrence to handicap (spreadsheet as he calls it; which is possible a better name) racing, I think it's great and really enjoy it and would be happy to see a much greater emphasis on handicap racing at clubs struggling to hold fleet racing together. Handicap racing delivers more boats per race, more variety, the comical absurdity of a 49er racing a Terra and a general bringing together of people who enjoy dinghy racing, irrespective of which class they sail. It's also pretty easy to introduce personal handicaps giving us more incompetent racers a chance. Oh, and pursuit races are also great. For those of you die-hard class racing fans, all I can say is you can continue to have you class results scored as a sub set of results in the main event. For me, I would like a club to have a class race in the morning and a mass handicap/pursuit race in the afternoon. And Summer evening races would just be handicap. Edited by boatshed - 04 Dec 13 at 9:44am |
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JohnJack ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 12 Mar 13 Online Status: Offline Posts: 246 |
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We run a single mixed handicap fleet usually get a turn out somewhere in the low to mid teens on a regular basis, a mixture of predominantly Solo's Lasers and Scorpions.
There are two races which we aim to be an hour but can be anything above 45mins for the faster boats depending on the Race Officer on a particular day. We tend to have a 40 minute break in between for lunch. We have three series throughout the year (not including the mid week) so they tend to be relatively long and drawn out with half + 1 race to count (this helps with our Scorpions who tend to travel allot). We count DNC as total in series +3 and this gets included in the results (either as a discard, or non discard) as you would at a nationals. From these results we generate a 'normal' handicap as well as a personal handicap, both are classed as different series, this is where it helps out a little with inclusion. We also have a 'Club Champion' as well which takes into account every club race throughout the year using the Chipstead High Scoring System, so is a bit like a annual ranking within the club which is quite good It has been the first year we have done it like this and it seems quite successful. |
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Time Lord ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 03 Dec 13 Location: Warwickshire Online Status: Offline Posts: 301 |
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We offer a reasonable discount to members who renew within one month of the AGM to assist with rapid renewals but a hardened few always seem to be late.
Have tried short race series and even splitting a long series into several short ones with individual series winners plus an overall winner. Did not appear to make any difference to the turnout. Also tried running 3/4 short races of 30 - 40 minutes back to back but last time two of these were scheduled, the race officer asked the assembled sailors want they wanted and they voted unanimously for a normal race. As the short races had been publicised, it was interesting that no supporters turned out! |
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gordon1277 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 24 Mar 10 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 665 |
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I forgot to say we offer a draw for £100 drinking vouchers for those who pay before a certain date.
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gordon1277 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 24 Mar 10 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 665 |
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We award average points for RO,and Safety boat plus Galley.
interesting on the joining fee front we have just upped ours to £50 to discourage people who always leave paying the membership to well beyond the cut off date causing the membership sec no end of hassle chasing. It was £10 before so no deterrent and some always took the micky. |
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Telltale ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 03 May 12 Location: Cardiff Online Status: Offline Posts: 169 |
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Excellent idea ! Would you also get points for SB and RO duties?
Good crew are becoming like gold dust, gets a bit tiring explaining which is the retrieval line for the kite.
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Do Different ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 26 Jan 12 Location: North Online Status: Offline Posts: 1312 |
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For Club racing we are trialling awarding equal series points for crews & helms. You could win a series crewing a couple of different boats and a few goes in your single hander.
The idea is to reward all participation.
Will probably need some fine tuning but we'll see how it goes. |
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chrisg ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 Mar 07 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 893 |
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I don't like joining fees so I'd say get rid of it, but its not my club so I don't know the ins and outs of how you set up your fee structure or whether you rely on joining fees much. Obviously the current discount helps, but why not just make it a £50 joining fee? Its your club so you can set it at whatever you feel is appropriate, its just that I've always seen a joining fee as not very welcoming, not because I'm tight, well maybe a bit, but because of the image it portrays. Yours added too much to the cost to move clubs when I was looking a while back. From memory, it didn't put it a million miles off Draycote's single membership with two boats for the first year, admittedly yours is cheaper for the subsequent years but as I was looking when times were tough and Draycote introduced the direct debit monthly payments I stayed put. Oh and my boat has just dipped below the 1000 limit but isn't as low as a Merlin, so like James, not sure if i'd be allowed to join now anyway, but while I enjoy racing on the big open water, a part of me likes the idea of returning to a smaller club where everyone mucks in so maybe one day. It would be a return to the old days Duncan! Apologies for the thread hijack...
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Blue One ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 09 Nov 13 Online Status: Offline Posts: 317 |
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same here chris, when we were looking to change clubs three years ago, it was one of the reasons why we didnt join. which looking back, is a great shame. ![]() on the other hand, banbury would still be the favorite for us to join, if we decided to change clubs in the future. the other possibles being hollowell or rugby and daventry. |
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