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    Posted: 03 Dec 13 at 11:31pm
Depending on who has been the sailing sec. we seem to have applied different ideas. As I have been the Sailing sec for about 9 of the last 15yrs, I have never applied a qualification criteria to any of our series. If I did, the winners wouldnt have changed, the only thing is we might have only had to buy a prize for the winner!

Like Jim, we allow people to sail multiple boats, so someone might sail some of the races in their 800 but when its too windy for them to venture out in that they take their Buzz out instead. If we didnt allow it then they simply wouldnt sail and we'd all miss out. I've long argued that Sailwave and PYS ought to be able to take this into account in a better manner than current as its a pain trawling through results that you move from Sailwave to PYS to rename the boat used for a particular race.
As for series length, I have no evidence either way. We have tried small series of 8-10 races (2 races back to back each Sunday) and we have tried 20 race series. Turnouts were not really any different. People tend to turn up when it suits rather than to make a concerted effort at a series. The keen lifers like me tend to turn up every weekend unless there is a really really important event taking place that is deemed more important by the family, but I think in current society dedication to a sport week in week out is not the norm, instead people dip in and out as and when the urge takes them.
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Originally posted by yellowwelly

Originally posted by Time Lord

We have recently got rid of the qualification nonsense at Banbury even though it was only 25% of races sailed by the fleet concerned. However we always used to list their results even when they haven't qualified but now it is better when we just score everybody who took part.

I'm fairly sure that's the same up the road at Draycote these days too...   I was surprised to see 'qualification' even mentioned today, I thought it went out with Mast Abeam.  

Quick question Time Lord- should probably send a private message to you, but I thought Banbury SC had a handicap cut off of 1000 PY, yet you've got Merlin... is that little rule open to discussion for new members?  

Ah yes - mast abeam - not six weeks since I last heard it shouted (and not in an ironical way)!
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I'd second that Chris... ;-)
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Joining fee is currently £100 up front with £50 discount off 2nd year's membership - works out as £50 joining fee which is not untypical in the area. Seems to have worked this year but will be up for discussion in next month. Why not PM with what you would like to see?
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Why any club would want to exclude anyone from their results is completely beyond me. Very odd.

Time - Lord, on the subject of inclusion, any chance you'll be looking at removing your joining fee? I was considering joining but it was a deal breaker at the time.
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Thank you Time Lord- PM will be sent this evening
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At hill head we tend to do 2 races back to back but our series only tend to be 6-8 races at most (except the short course racing - 4 * 15min races with the fleet crossing lots on the reaches... fun!).

we also have 6 individual weekends of class racing so you can win each weekend or win overall out all the weekends.

We also have lots of one off races which again have a prize for each one or an overall prize as a series. They are split into different types eg, yachts against dinghies, long distance etc
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Time Lord Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Dec 13 at 5:49pm
The 1000 lower limit on handicap was set in the days (not long ago) when the Merlin rating was 1040 and was only intended when it was brought in to apply to the Menagerie fleet.

When it mysteriously dropped below 1000 last year, there was surpringly little opposition to the Merlin fleer continuing to sail at the club as they have done since the early 1950s.

On our water, it is very difficult to sail to this handicap anyway compared with the sea and large reservoir clubs where you can set big courses to take advantage of the spinnaker.

As for a discussion on other boats which hover around 1000, why not PM me as always happy to talk. I reckon the Phantom (we have one in the club) is the next obvious candidate for the drop.
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Originally posted by Time Lord

We have recently got rid of the qualification nonsense at Banbury even though it was only 25% of races sailed by the fleet concerned. However we always used to list their results even when they haven't qualified but now it is better when we just score everybody who took part.

I'm fairly sure that's the same up the road at Draycote these days too...   I was surprised to see 'qualification' even mentioned today, I thought it went out with Mast Abeam.  

Quick question Time Lord- should probably send a private message to you, but I thought Banbury SC had a handicap cut off of 1000 PY, yet you've got Merlin... is that little rule open to discussion for new members?  
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