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    Posted: 25 Nov 13 at 12:48pm
I can talk with some experience of the difference between sailing on the sea and inland and I'd say the principle difference is the wind stability, generally on the sea you can settle in to a reliable tack until the sun goes the wrong side of the sail and you change.

The trouble with that inland sailing it keeps changing direction and until you learn how to keep changing tack because of the wind rather than the sun, you'll never cut it.

It's been my experience, inland sailors can evolve to coping with the sea, quicker than a sea sailor can cope with all that windy shifting, big holes lurking under trees and not necessarily sailing straight lines from one buoy to another.

There is however one area that'll often get the pondies and many even in their greatness still don't get, and that's tides and tidal sailing, even some river wallers I've come across can't necessarily spot what a sea sailor will about the shape of the water.

So In essence, a well rounded champion sailor will have to have coped with all mediums and will respect the skills of all those who sail in their own environments.

Then we come to the medium in which you compete and as well we all know, or should by now, those that stand up to do their sailing, see more than those who only sit down..

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The only people who should be saying the Streaker, Comet, British Moth or any other class Nationals should be on the sea, are people who sail those classes.
If a class carves a niche as a lake or river class, then enjoy it for that.
Racing inland, it's not easier to win, it's just a different facet of our sport.
That's why we have different classes.
People do choose their class influenced by when and where the Nats generally is.
It is part of the ethos you buy into.
So if you mess with it, you risk losing people.
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Streaker National Championships - 18 & 19 July 2009

Lancing SC

Results are final as of 17:52 on July 19, 2009

Overall

Sailed: 2, Discards: 0, To count: 2, Entries: 37, Scoring system: RRS App.A Low points with LSC SI mods
RankHelmNameClubR1R2Pts.
1stSteve CockerillStokes Bay SC112
2ndAlan GillardSheffield Viking SC325
3rdIan JonesDovestone SC235
4thChris CattDowns SC448
5thTom GillardSheffield Viking SC5510

Hear is the rest of this report which may say why results were such?

STREAKER NATIONALS AT LANCING SAILING CLUB

The Streaker National Championship took place over the weekend of 18th & 19th July. The 38 competitors for the first race on Saturday were met by a force 5-6 westerly. 24 decided to launch.

The OOD had set a triangle-sausage course. Immediately after the start Steve Cockerill was first to show ; by the windward mark Steve already had a race winning lead, followed by a group including former champions Ian Jones and Alan Gillard, Topper ace Chris Catt and Tom Gillard, who has won nearly every meeting in the North this year. 14 completed the course, some having spectacular wipe-outs in the difficult combination of wind and sea. Finishing order was Steve Cockerill, Ian Jones, Alan Gillard, Chris Catt, Tom Gillard and Nick Lovell.
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Streaker Nationals at Lancing

After a break ashore, with most interest shown around the club anemometer, a depleted fleet launched for the second race, six helpers being needed to get each boat under way. Steve Cockerill capsized on the way to the start but was up and sailing again in a flash. Of the nine starters, Steve was first at the mark by a distance and sailed away. The main difficulty was the competitors sailing at maximum speed into patches of weed which tripped up boats on the reach and run. Ian Bradley lost his mast and rudder. Alan Gillard used his experience to progress through the fleet, the wind touching force seven by the last lap. The seven finishers were Cockerill, Alan Gillard, Ian Jones, Chris Catt, Tom Gillard, Sarah Kennedy (with a storm sail) and Nick Lovell.

After a delicious barbeque on Saturday evening provided by this most hospitable club, competitors arrived Sunday morning to an increased wind and sea. In view of the poor forecast sailing was cancelled for the day. Some great feats of sailing were seen by the spectators ; six masts broken or bent on the sea bed bear testimony to the conditions.
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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by Blue One

are people saying the result would have been different if it had been sailed on the sea or that it was a noddy champs, won by a noddy sailor?


I think the only person who has said that is you...


Sorry I was not the person who used the word noddyist, to describe inland championships....
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Originally posted by RS400atC

The only people who should be saying the Streaker, Comet, British Moth or any other class Nationals should be on the sea, are people who sail those classes.
If a class carves a niche as a lake or river class, then enjoy it for that.
Racing inland, it's not easier to win, it's just a different facet of our sport.
That's why we have different classes.
People do choose their class influenced by when and where the Nats generally is.
It is part of the ethos you buy into.
So if you mess with it, you risk losing people.


Have I ever agreed with you before? Well I do now. That sums it up.
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A a small lake sailor (me and the lake) I only sea sailed once in the Tasar Nationals at Babbacombe. I was 60, if I remember, and was totally over awed by the wave experience. Never again.
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Originally posted by iitick

A a small lake sailor (me and the lake) I only sea sailed once in the Tasar Nationals at Babbacombe. I was 60, if I remember, and was totally over awed by the wave experience. Never again.

I never realised such keen sailors could spend their entire sailing life on ponds ...

Sea sailing is in a different league than ponds; there can be few more fun and exhilarating things than getting your small dinghy surfing down a wave ... sailing inland you completely miss out on that fun ...

Inland sailing is good fun too coping with the twitchy wind but sea sailing is the daddy  Wink


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Originally posted by L123456

there can be few more fun and exhilarating things than getting your small dinghy surfing down a wave

Some of us with fast boats find that waves are more of a nuisance than anything else because they just slow you down as you are overtaking them.

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Originally posted by L123456

Originally posted by iitick

A a small lake sailor (me and the lake) I only sea sailed once in the Tasar Nationals at Babbacombe. I was 60, if I remember, and was totally over awed by the wave experience. Never again.

I never realised such keen sailors could spend their entire sailing life on ponds ...

Sea sailing is in a different league than ponds; there can be few more fun and exhilarating things than getting your small dinghy surfing down a wave ... sailing inland you completely miss out on that fun ...

Inland sailing is good fun too coping with the twitchy wind but sea sailing is the daddy  Wink
I always thought Laser sailors lacked imagination, and the above proves it. Maybe your brain has to partly shutdown to ignore the pain of hiking.
 
I sail a Laser on the sea, and for every race with surfing conditions, I have sailed 4 in flattish water in 6 knots of breeze and 3 knots of tide, which just come down to a mind numbing one track procession. You don't get that inland.
 
Good sailors can sail on anything, our Laser Gold medallist comes from a pond near Rotherham after all, and I'm sure he used some of those skills he learnt there when winning the gold on the sea in China in 2008. Not so sure he would have done so if he had spent all his life surfing on waves every 3rd week.
 
 
 
 
39 years of dinghy racing and still waiting to peak.
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Originally posted by Nipper

Originally posted by L123456

Originally posted by iitick

A a small lake sailor (me and the lake) I only sea sailed once in the Tasar Nationals at Babbacombe. I was 60, if I remember, and was totally over awed by the wave experience. Never again.

I never realised such keen sailors could spend their entire sailing life on ponds ...

Sea sailing is in a different league than ponds; there can be few more fun and exhilarating things than getting your small dinghy surfing down a wave ... sailing inland you completely miss out on that fun ...

Inland sailing is good fun too coping with the twitchy wind but sea sailing is the daddy  Wink
I always thought Laser sailors lacked imagination, and the above proves it. Maybe your brain has to partly shutdown to ignore the pain of hiking.
 


All non-trapeze dinghies require hiking ... I don't see what relevance that has here?

If you hike with good technique and fitness then it is not painful; physical yes ... but then this is a sport ... 
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