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    Posted: 23 Nov 13 at 9:34pm
I can't see why the lightning shouldn't be able to get a bigger attendance, it takes time to build a fleet back up.

I'm hoping to get one next year the attraction of the class for me is the low cost of equipment, for others it might be the friendly nature of the class (I've been on their forum and everyone is very helpful) others might just like the boat

I think it has multiple attractions, I'm going to borrow my dad's solo as well but 8-9k for a new solo is certainly a turnoff for me personally and whilst I want to sail in 100 boat fleets not everyone does
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Holding your class nationals gets you points on the noddy-o-meter. 

Nationals should be on the sea where typically you get a more level playing field. A class should also host an inland championships to test who is the best puddle racer. 
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A nationals should be held on the sea and in a location that gives a decent length of course and not too much tide (i.e. stuffed up an estuary where the 'locals' have a distinct advantage).

Nationals attendance would increase if more classes ran 3 day events, rather than 5, IMO.
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Does a class have to have a Nationals on the sea to make them worthy?  Now I am no expert but a short boat with not much foredeck is never going to be great on the sea, surely?  Boats are designed for different places.  Why is sailing on the Sea so great?  And it doesn't necessarily test skills - I suspect all that extra manoevring and weird wind on a smaller bit of water can be a lot more difficult!
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Seems a bit unfair to me. Some classes, Lightning, British Moth etc, are predominantly lake or river sailed  so why force them onto the sea? National Championship is always taken more seriously than Inland Championship even if both are sailed inland. More people will enter Nats than Inlands.

Most smaller classes do not sail 5 days.

Many 'sea sailors', salt encrusted nautical gods feel a little superior, don't you?
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Originally posted by Er-Indoors

Does a class have to have a Nationals on the sea to make them worthy?  Now I am no expert but a short boat with not much foredeck is never going to be great on the sea, surely?  Boats are designed for different places.  Why is sailing on the Sea so great?  And it doesn't necessarily test skills - I suspect all that extra manoevring and weird wind on a smaller bit of water can be a lot more difficult!


You are correct, but get ready for loads of people telling you your not. Wink
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Originally posted by Blue One


Originally posted by Er-Indoors

Does a class have to have a Nationals on the sea to make them worthy?  Now I am no expert but a short boat with not much foredeck is never going to be great on the sea, surely?  Boats are designed for different places.  Why is sailing on the Sea so great?  And it doesn't necessarily test skills - I suspect all that extra manoevring and weird wind on a smaller bit of water can be a lot more difficult!

You are correct, but get ready for loads of people telling you your not. Wink

I`m pleased you posted that. You put it far better than I could have.
I would love to sail on the sea. Its where I grew up but am now to far away to make it practical and anyway it tastes funny and is lumpy.
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I guess there are a limited number of venues that would feel right for champs to me. Can't quite imagine a Nationals at Grafham, or worse still Queen Mary.
I'm quite happy with somewhere with scenery like Ullswater or Loch Lomond where I've enjoyed events. Can't think of any interesting venues down south, although some of the Welsh lake/reservoirs might be interesting I suppose. Or is that a Southern viewpoint?
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Really Jim? Lightning have frequented Pitsford (Northampton) and it has proved very successful. Nice and big, friendly, and well managed. Free camping and good food. Spectating is good for me as well.

WPNSA is very pro, expensive and no camping or spectating. Very good for a blast on the sea but little else.

Cardiff is good, semi sea, free camping, good food and cheap beer. Spectating not bad either with strong glasses.

What's wrong with Grafham, QM or Ruland except for horrible food and lack of soul?
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Many years ago we hosted the Lightning Nationals at Netley (which is a sea venue though very much of the 'estuary' variety). From my viewpoint as RO, the competitors all enjoyed themselves, we enjoyed having them and overall the event was a huge success. You do get a good view from the deck of the Committee Boat and from what I saw, you might not want to sail that particular boat at say - Stokes Bay (which is far more open and exposed) but at the many 'sheltered' sea venues I can see no reason for the class to get all the 'boxes ticked'!
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