Nationals attendance.

What could possibly go wrong?

   Seems a bit unfair to me. Some classes, Lightning, British Moth etc, are predominantly lake or river sailed  so why force them onto the sea? National Championship is always taken more seriously than Inland Championship even if both are sailed inland. More people will enter Nats than Inlands.

Most smaller classes do not sail 5 days.

Many 'sea sailors', salt encrusted nautical gods feel a little superior, don't you?

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iitick Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Far too distracted from work Joined: 09 Sep 13 Location: Tunstead Milton Online Status: Offline Posts: 392	Post Options Post Reply Quote iitick Report Post Quote Reply Topic: Nationals attendance. Posted: 24 Nov 13 at 6:22pm
	Seems a bit unfair to me. Some classes, Lightning, British Moth etc, are predominantly lake or river sailed so why force them onto the sea? National Championship is always taken more seriously than Inland Championship even if both are sailed inland. More people will enter Nats than Inlands. Most smaller classes do not sail 5 days. Many 'sea sailors', salt encrusted nautical gods feel a little superior, don't you?

Er-Indoors Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Posting king Joined: 20 Nov 13 Location: Cambs Online Status: Offline Posts: 146	Post Options Post Reply Quote Er-Indoors Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 24 Nov 13 at 6:17pm
	Does a class have to have a Nationals on the sea to make them worthy? Now I am no expert but a short boat with not much foredeck is never going to be great on the sea, surely? Boats are designed for different places. Why is sailing on the Sea so great? And it doesn't necessarily test skills - I suspect all that extra manoevring and weird wind on a smaller bit of water can be a lot more difficult!

getafix Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 28 Mar 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2143	Post Options Post Reply Quote getafix Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 24 Nov 13 at 5:30pm
	A nationals should be held on the sea and in a location that gives a decent length of course and not too much tide (i.e. stuffed up an estuary where the 'locals' have a distinct advantage). Nationals attendance would increase if more classes ran 3 day events, rather than 5, IMO.

L123456 Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 30 Apr 12 Online Status: Offline Posts: 500	Post Options Post Reply Quote L123456 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 24 Nov 13 at 1:51pm
	Holding your class nationals gets you points on the noddy-o-meter. Nationals should be on the sea where typically you get a more level playing field. A class should also host an inland championships to test who is the best puddle racer.

Clive Evans Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Groupie Joined: 18 Feb 13 Location: Sydney Online Status: Offline Posts: 46	Post Options Post Reply Quote Clive Evans Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 23 Nov 13 at 9:34pm
	I can't see why the lightning shouldn't be able to get a bigger attendance, it takes time to build a fleet back up. I'm hoping to get one next year the attraction of the class for me is the low cost of equipment, for others it might be the friendly nature of the class (I've been on their forum and everyone is very helpful) others might just like the boat I think it has multiple attractions, I'm going to borrow my dad's solo as well but 8-9k for a new solo is certainly a turnoff for me personally and whilst I want to sail in 100 boat fleets not everyone does
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Rupert Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956	Post Options Post Reply Quote Rupert Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 23 Nov 13 at 4:45pm
	I'd not mind taking the Lightning to a seaside holiday venue, but I think we would lose more people than we would gain, and Northampton really do make it very easy to hold a Nats there.
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Dougal Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 23 Sep 09 Location: England Online Status: Offline Posts: 556	Post Options Post Reply Quote Dougal Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 23 Nov 13 at 3:46pm
	I'm sure I've seen it done in a class where every 4 or 5 years tha Nationals would be inland. Can't for the life of me remember which class (or even if I am making the whole thing up!). Age, memory etc etc...
	What could possibly go wrong?

yellowwelly Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 24 May 13 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2003	Post Options Post Reply Quote yellowwelly Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 23 Nov 13 at 8:59am
	Sounds a little arse about face that Dougal- but I guess it's the politically correct solution ;-)

Dougal Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 23 Sep 09 Location: England Online Status: Offline Posts: 556	Post Options Post Reply Quote Dougal Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 23 Nov 13 at 7:39am
	If the Nationals are to be held Inland there is nothing to stop the class having a 'coastal' champs on the calendar as well.
	What could possibly go wrong?

robin34024 Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Posting king Joined: 03 Jan 12 Location: Lincoln Online Status: Offline Posts: 116	Post Options Post Reply Quote robin34024 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 22 Nov 13 at 10:43pm
	Its not just the fact that it isn't run on the sea that annoys me. I can appreciate all strands of sailing from rivers, to little ponds, to the great lakes, to big sea sailing. In fact if anything, i enjoy sailing on little rivers with a competitive fleet more than anything. But there is rather little variety in the streaker calender, and having a nationals on the sea would bring at least a little variety, and maybe even attract a few more sailors. It would also justify having an inlands as well, since in my view, an inland championships in conjunction with a nationals held on an inland water is kinda pointless.