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Hiking hard, the conditions look pretty hard too!
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Originally posted by Daniel Holman

I guess - whilst no apologist for the manufacturer there are ways and means to sail that sort of boat within oneself. It's a skill and not as quick as if you try hard, but definitely ways


Exactly.  I won't hike as hard as the guy in the pic, and I won't go as fast, but I might survive more races and my legs will thank me.
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Its certainly a lot easier to sail a hiking boat at 90% than a trapeze boat. I suppose one solution might be to design a boat with a sufficiently bendy mast that you ran out of power before getting to the knee destruction point. With the 59er lesson behind us though I expect people would just stiffen up the mast or something.
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Originally posted by JimC

Its certainly a lot easier to sail a hiking boat at 90% than a trapeze boat.


You reckon? I'd say it's easier on a trap boat - set wires a little high and forget about them. SOP for a newbie in a 600 / MPS.
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Originally posted by winging it

Hiking hard, the conditions look pretty hard too!



Not hiking well mind. Would generate the same leverage off having his arse just over the edge, with more kinetic locked in-ness and less effort - classic example of someone who has gone out a little hard and is hooked in and hanging on.

I would compare trapeze sailing (flat wiring) in a straight line as equivalent to hiking at 20% effort.
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Originally posted by yellowwelly

  If the RS100 is guilty of trying (and failing) to be all things for all people with these multiple rigs, then it makes sense to focus on the 8.4 sail market- here at least, which would be the domain of <90kg ex Laser hiking bunny who expects a bit of pain and injury from their sport.


So hypothetically (seeing as I can't afford one) if you were >90kg and weren't fit enough to hike that hard the 8.4rig would be the way to go then?

Why is the big rig so physical? It's not that bigger than a Phantom or Blaze sail is it and nobody complains about them too much. Is the mast the problem?
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Originally posted by Daniel Holman

Originally posted by winging it

Hiking hard, the conditions look pretty hard too!



Not hiking well mind. Would generate the same leverage off having his arse just over the edge, with more kinetic locked in-ness and less effort - classic example of someone who has gone out a little hard and is hooked in and hanging on.

I would compare trapeze sailing (flat wiring) in a straight line as equivalent to hiking at 20% effort.


Didn't it all used to be poo-hiking until Elvstrom came along? Though maybe not from the picture here http://www.elvstrom.it/indexeng.html 
Like some other things - sailing is more enjoyable when you do it with someone else
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Originally posted by yellowwelly

  If the RS100 is guilty of trying (and failing) to be all things for all people with these multiple rigs, then it makes sense to focus on the 8.4 sail market- here at least, which would be the domain of <90kg ex Laser hiking bunny who expects a bit of pain and injury from their sport.


So hypothetically (seeing as I can't afford one) if you were >90kg and weren't fit enough to hike that hard the 8.4rig would be the way to go then?

Why is the big rig so physical? It's not that bigger than a Phantom or Blaze sail is it and nobody complains about them too much. Is the mast the problem?


No, whatever rig, just don't sit out too hard, pace yourself, concentrate on steering and sheeting really nicely and conserving energy.
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Originally posted by yellowwelly

Originally posted by JimC

Its certainly a lot easier to sail a hiking boat at 90% than a trapeze boat.


You reckon? I'd say it's easier on a trap boat - set wires a little high and forget about them. SOP for a newbie in a 600 / MPS.

I'm with the welly on this.  I know it's a two man boat, but the Fireball is much easier and much better behaved in a blow than any other boat I have sailed.
What could possibly go wrong?
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Cheers Dougal- although we need to be careful; furball, massive breeze (off the forum wind richter scale ) well, it'd put anything to shame!!!!! Except a 420- an honourable trail monkey in such conditions!!!!
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