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yellowwelly 
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 Topic: Sail Juice 2013-14 SeriesPosted: 11 Nov 13 at 1:02pm |
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and the news this year is that, the forum crawls up its own arse BEFORE the SJ series even starts....
Have fun winter sailing folks, wherever it might be.
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radixon
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Posted: 11 Nov 13 at 12:49pm |
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This is true, 11 months ago, I posted one question and ended up with a big thread "upsetting" a class all because I asked one simple question. I'm off to hide in the background.... Enjoy the series if you take part.
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Ruscoe
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Posted: 11 Nov 13 at 12:35pm |
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Nessa, I agree with you completely about the forum. One of the reasons I stopped posting. Not a nice fun vibe anymore.
As for the sail juice series, Chris I agree with what you are saying. But it's not the event organisers or competitors faults. It's the small minority that think it's ok to treat these events and the people that make thse events such a celebration of our sport with such disrespect. I as well as hundreds of others have spent years driving round the country in the freezing cold to pip my wits against some of the top sailors in the country. At some (not insignificant expense). Safe in the knowledge that if I come anywhere near the top 50 I have done myself proud. For the last few years I have witnessed some outrageous behaviour this may be coincidental, but it coincides with the sail juice series starting. It's a real shame, as I loved these events. So what can I do? I'm not going to let it ruin it for me, I will do the events I want to do, and will forget the rest. I would of attended all of the. If sail juice hadn't stuck their head in the sand when it all kicked off. There has as far as I have seen been any statement, or confirmation that it would be policed better. Should I expect this? I'm not sure, but over the series I would of spent A Lot of money entering these events, without people like me there wouldn't be events as the numbers would be so low.....
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iGRF
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Posted: 11 Nov 13 at 12:33pm |
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No, it's like when there's nothing interesting on telly, nothing drives up thread hits more than controversy, nothing drives discussion groups more than controversy.
If you don't have disagreement you don't have discussion, and Sailjuice what would they rather have? A thread that has one lame yippee, then slips down the page and out of sight, or some old t**ser who clearly has no idea ranting and raving driving up the hit rate? (Whilst also containing just a hint of veracity). Join in, or tut tut in your coffee, without something going on here, the place will die, trust me, I've seen it happen. |
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yellowwelly
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Posted: 11 Nov 13 at 12:32pm |
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I think only one person is tearing it to shreds though... based on a false understanding of the handicap system.
The only other people commenting are largely saying they are good events for what they are. - They are not class regattas - They are not benchmarking exercises ... so what... if you like them, cool. Go and Enjoy, please report back what those of us who won't be attending are missing. It'll be a lot more interesting post-event reading than Acme Dinghy Limited used an illegal tiller extension.
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winging it
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Posted: 11 Nov 13 at 12:21pm |
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and this is why no one really bothers posting much here any more. A nice little post about a fun series that keeps us all from dying of boredom over the unlit months is torn to shreds by people who largely don't even go along to compete.
But it's like the telly isn't it? If you don't like what's on turn it off and do something else. Just don't shred up the show you don't bother to watch. I'm going because it will be fun. |
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the same, but different...
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iitick
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Joined: 09 Sep 13 Location: Tunstead Milton Online Status: Offline Posts: 392 |
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Posted: 11 Nov 13 at 12:21pm |
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I do get bored with all this aggro. I, and I am sure many others, have had a lovely year. A bit or racing on our beautiful lake. Restored two boats, spectated at Cardiff and Weymouth. Friendly drinks with mates.
It seems so sad that some of you are so unhappy.
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RS400atC
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Posted: 11 Nov 13 at 12:01pm |
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Well the sea hasn't changed neither has the Laser, but is there just maybe a different demographic sailing them in different conditions to the old days? USed to be the Lasers would be the boats out when it's windy, these days there are lot of Laser Sailors over 50, sailing a lot of lighter wind races. Discounting the 'serious' Laser boys who are class racing anyway? It's a 3.6% change. Could it be the old number was 2% wrong and the system has over-reacted? |
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Rupert
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Posted: 11 Nov 13 at 12:00pm |
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The EPS handicap when I started racing against them was considerably lower than it is now - just a little slower than a 300, if I recall correctly. Has big business been involved in making it nicer, or results? I'll go with results. And judging by the lack of Lasers winning anything at our club for a long, long time, I'll go with results there, too.
Where we sail, the Phantoms and EPS's get good racing on the water in the mid wind strengths, and are similarly handicapped, whereas a few years ago the EPS had to win by miles on the water, which never happened. One went up, the other down - looks like the system is working. Given that Chris has stated that the numbers they get are from actual race times, not the figures used by clubs, the figures used at the sail juice events can have no effect. The results, if uploaded, will have the same effect as a similar number of club returns. I can see (pretty much unavoidable) flaws in the system, as I said earlier. What I can't see is this manipulation of data you keep banging on about. |
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iGRF
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Posted: 11 Nov 13 at 11:46am |
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You don't have to be sorry, that allegedly is my job, yet for everything you and Jim have said and I don't doubt any of it for one moment and please don't take offence at any of my lame assertions, but don't you see if the system had some standardisation in a fact derived 'null' point none of this could happen. A Laser is a Laser, when I came on the scene it was rated at 1078 and a really old one won our local series. Now we may all be duffers, but we are typical of club sailing dufferdom and moving a boat that has not physically altered in any way to speed up or slow down from 1078 to 1117 just does not pass the test of logic. Therefore there must be other forces in play. |
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