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    Posted: 08 Nov 13 at 2:12pm
Graeme, you have to close the self-bailers if you're not travelling fast enough for them to work, otherwise they WILL leak. They ALL leak unless they're almost brand new. Sand & salt are death to them and they're bonded in instead of bolted nowadays so you can't even take them out to change the seals.

BTW its the crew's job to bale / sponge and if the transom flaps are under water you're too far back in the boat - move your lightweight ass forward!
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They were closed, they still leak and I am forward, but once the boat has accumulated 6 or 7" of water, the rear flaps start to add to the fray, so this crew, does that involve him being awake, or not waving to the girls on the shore, or drinking water, chatting to nearby boats, or eating lemon drizzle cake?
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yum - lemon drizzle cake... off into dreamworld now...
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We have done plenty of drifters in 115, and have never had a problem like yours GRF. The nailers are still pretty water-tight and we don't drag the stern, despite my somewhat rotund figure being at the blunt end of the 2 of us. You don't drag the boat up the beach do you? That'd def have an effect on the bailers' longevity...

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Originally posted by Bootscooter

   You don't drag the boat up the beach do you?


*Understatement of the millennium

*Twice a week every week for the past six years, so er no not really that much

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My old home town of Hastings lies at about the same angle as Hythe and it doesn't have the south westerly protection of Dungeness. Yes it does get dumpy but not that regularly............dragging the boat up and down the beach twice a week for six years?
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Hastings is very similar to Hythe, but from half tide onwards, Hastings does at least level out a bit as I remember, from about half tide down, haven't sailed there in many a year. The problem we have at Hythe, even more so since the beach replenishment ensures it's always a shelving beach at all states of tide, and it buried our slipway, so getting the trailer up and down the beach is in itself a major drag. So we virtually always launch and recover onto the beach itself, very rare are the days we can launch off the trailer and even rarer recover to the trailer.
Launching from the trailer into even the smallest of waves can see the boat lifted up then dropped down hard onto sticky up trailer bits that do more damage than rolling it over shingle. Sad fact of beach life I fear.

I bet y'all can't wait to hear tales of that nice Icon graunching over the shingle.
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One of my worst  launches occurred when dragging the two hander along shingle.......Launching into wind and large waves with a groyne either side. Went to lower the dagger board to beat into the waves but stones wedged in the slot, argh, sliding sideways towards a groyne, had to turn round and sail back up the beach. A real brown trouser moment.

As for the reachy, runny rag up front, I completely agree with Rod. Blag a go on a 200 with the SRS rigged and see if that fits the bill. It does work quite well by all accounts. That system on a good sea boat sounds good.  I think it was binned because the class didn't think it "was in the true spirit" of assy sailing. Also, and perhaps nearer the truth, given the prevailing (at the time) fashion/marketing  pressures for assy sailing it might of been a bit embarrassing manufacturing an assy that visibly worked better on a run in anything under a F4-5. It's effectiveness was what killed it. To be fair though, the 200 wasn't originally designed for a spinny.

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Yes, I've had that happen more than once, especially on that MPS in the early days and we got it quite a lot on the RS500, it's happened on the Alto, but not anything like as often, it's a nightmare having to come back, luckily we don't have the groynes we used to, they're buried by the beach replenishment.

Tbh regarding the kite, it's looking increasingly like that's what we'll end up with, if only because Mike is familiar with it and we have no worry about fashion. We, I just want the functionality and tactical advantage of both. In order, to have a boat with the same sail plan as a Merlin, but without the complication, if only to prove Modern can beat old school complication.

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The original Skiff used an assy with a pole that could be squared, and during gybes it had absolutely zero issues with the kite touching the forestay. The trick it used is probably simpler than the alternatives and was revived during the '90s (?) on high performance yachts. Problem is, while it's gentle on spinnakers it's hard on jibs.

Have an assy kite with a long pole. The pole has two braces; one each side. The forestay has a highfield lever and there is a snap shackle on the head of the jib.

Pop the kite at the top mark and go downwind at whatever angle you want with the pole wherever you want. To gybe, grab the jib, dump the jib halyard/forestay, and pull the sail aft so that the head is now beside the mast, to leeward of the pole (of course) and the sail is on the deck.

Turn the boat, gybe the main, and then simply ease off the brace that was to windward and pull on the one that was to leeward and is now to windward. With the forestay out of the way, sitting beside the mast, the pole rotates easily and the assy flips through unhindered.

Then unclip the jib halyard from the head of the jib, reach up and pass the halyard over the pole so that it is now on the new leeward side, and re-hoist the jib. It takes a lot less time to do than it does to describe.

Of course, this assumes that you had four people in a 16 footer, and ignores the fact that the class went to larger syms (with a long pole) and then to even larger assys. And it's tough on jibs. But while ideas are flying around, the basic concept of getting the forestay out of the road in some way could be worth a shot.


I'm still in shock, though, at the idea of dragging racing boats up beaches. Isn't that why you get boats that are light, or trolleys, or even use the old idea of a wooden skidboard that is clipped to the hull when the boat is being dragged around?

At my old club the shorebreak could get so bad that it would literally break over the heads of short crews who were holding the boats off the beach while the rest of us were carrying boats or moving trolleys, but no one ever considered dragging the boats over the fine clean sand. Just a cultural thing I guess (although I am not attacking the excellent UK dinghy scene per se).





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