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    Posted: 06 Nov 13 at 1:24pm
Icon hull weight is at least 20kgs less than a Merlin. Just sayin'. An Icon with an asso kite would be embarrassing if it WASN'T at least 950. But none of this is relevant to what Ecosse was asking. I think you may be second guessing how handicaps are arrived at as well, nothing to stop clubs from giving new Winder Merlins a higher handicap if they see fit, ditto any other class. If you don't like handicap racing, sail a OD.    
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Originally posted by fdsailor

Icon hull weight is at least 20kgs less than a Merlin. Just sayin'. An Icon with an asso kite would be embarrassing if it WASN'T at least 950. But none of this is relevant to what Ecosse was asking. I think you may be second guessing how handicaps are arrived at as well, nothing to stop clubs from giving new Winder Merlins a higher handicap if they see fit, ditto any other class. If you don't like handicap racing, sail a OD.    


I would hope the Icon was 20kg lighter, it's quite possible to build a Merlin 20kg light.
The Icon is a bit longer, so the comparison with the 400 is inevitable IMHO.
FWIW, I don't think it is trivial to sail a Merlin to its handicap against the 400 on the average RTC course.
The Merlin handicap IMHO is being driven down by a very high standard of racing.
The 400 suffers from this a bit, compared with many other SMODs.
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You know what ... some of you need to have sailed all these boats. 

It is great to speculate, and it is the stuff of forums of course.  Half an hour on the water is however worth any amount of keyboard time and banter.  Don't stop the banter... but maybe take up a few offers to try and have a go as well.  

Do the offers need to be repeated ? (and Yes I will have a go in GRF's creation as well if offered the chance!) 

Mike L.

PS - It is never OUR  handicap that is the issue ... it is YOUR sailing.... and if YOU beat ME it is because YOUR boat has a bandit handicap.  But if I beat YOU however it is only because YOU lot are c*ap at racing as OUR handicap is very very reasonable.  .. and of course the handicap WE have is because WE are of course a much stronger fleet (even if half the results in the PN  'mix' come from club raced hulls that are several decades off the current pace - well maybe Wink) 

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Originally posted by blaze720



Don't you just love it  ...     Confused



no, and it's precisely the reason why I am former 'early adopter'. 

However if some other folks want to put the leg work into developing some much nicer products for us to join in on when they reach something approaching a critical mass, then genuinely best of luck.  I hope they had a good deal for taking the punt and doing the hard work- people make classes, not boats.

You won't find me extolling the virtues of my Solo, or a Laser; however at present there is simply no other class racing alternative within a 45 minute drive of home/work.

My take on the Icon is that it looks like a good red wine, it'll take some time to mature and when it hits its prime I just might be in a position to quaff it...!  


Edited by yellowwelly - 06 Nov 13 at 2:53pm
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Beaujolais Nuveau ..... Drink it now! Don't wait or you'll never forgive yourself!
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Light pish.... Go Go Margaux

(good boat name that!)

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True! Embarrassed
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See apollo duck. Another Icon back into active hands. Apparently Icon 17 is sold, sold, sold sold, and is going to be based at Starcross, but travelling to a number of events in 2014. Thumbs Up
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Had a lovely little 1st sail in the Icon today at Burghfield. Very little wind, but we caught a few puffs for 10 minutes or so, and the hull slipped along nicely.

Thanks to Mike for giving us a go - I hope we can play for longer in more wind one day!
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glad it went well. It did look I nice bit of kit when I looked it over at draycote. I have always thought it would be a good choice for people coming out of fireflys or n12s.
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