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    Posted: 04 Nov 13 at 1:15pm
Originally posted by Slippery Jim


Haven´t heard of any Altos doing much recently though


I got to say that you've not been looking then Jim.

The Class now has demo boats available at Oxford SC, Deben YC and Wilsonian SC.

The Class series has been a great success with Alto's taking the top 4 places at the Medway Regatta (no 59ers in attendance), 3 boats at the Weymouth Sailfest gaining 12th, 24th and 80th places of 86 (no 59ers in attendance), 10th and 19th of 84 at the Round Sheppey Race (no 59ers in attendance). One ALTO went to the NSSA Regatta this year getting 3rd in the F/H Fleet (no 59ers in attendance).

Whilst I don't want to turn this in to a "willy-waving" competition, I'd ask you not to make disparaging comments about a Class in the way that you have please.

I've not enjoyed sailing as much as I have this year in over a decade! Sailing with my son up front has been fantastic in this boat, and the Class racing we've enjoyed has been incredibly tight despite the massive differences in weights between crews. Sailfest was just a total dream, with us, the Isos and Javelins battling around the course in perfect conditions.

For anyone that'd like to see first hand what the ALTO is about, feel free to contact Jo through SailAlto.com to have a sail.

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Anyway ... why don't you take on the UK dealership for the iCon seems you'd make a fortune ...


Because I've ruined several hobbies already commercialising them and this is my retirement hobby, why would I want to ruin it chasing around trying to flog boats to impecunious GP14 fodder?
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Because I've enhanced several sports already commercialising them and this is my retirement hobby 

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Originally posted by 2547


Originally posted by iGRF

 
Because I've enhanced several sports already commercialising them and this is my retirement hobby 

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Originally posted by Ecosse

I see there a couple of newish Icons for sale at good prices on Apollo Duck. I was thinking of a boat for Scotland also.
Are there any fleets building and who is selling them up north? Are there going to be any class events next year.


I have been digging around to see what is for sale and I'm definitely going to own an Icon, three I think plus the demo. The one thing I'll say is that the guys who've sailed Icons seem to REALLY like them for many reasons but primarily because they say they are fantastic to helm upwind, quick around the course, the rig really works and they are more stable than a lot. Seems Icons are good in most conditions and great in a blow and will accept a range of crew sizes up to about 25 stone. Anyone got any honest opinions on the boat .... not from the Forum Chat but from actually sailing one..... interested to hear some honest views from people who like it the way it is and not with Twin Trapezes, foils, a Rig from an international 14 and the bowsprit from an 18' skiff! 
The boat isn't expensive so I hope that people will realise its good and start buying, don't want to be the only one having fun LOL
Should I buy an Icon????
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Do Different Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Nov 13 at 12:23am
Barring the fact that I really like the minority group I've been hanging out with for the last ten years I'd have one tomorrow, makes a lot of sense to me from a boat design point of view. 
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Going back to the PY issue. My club is a Sailjuice Series venue, and if you asked to enter with GrFCon or whatever we'd give it a PY of 950. Why? 
Clearly It 'ought' to be quicker than an Icon and they're on 1000
Your avowed intent is it should be faster than a Merlin and they're on 975. 

So 950 seems about right. Not that difficult really.
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Originally posted by Ecosse


The one thing I'll say is that the guys who've sailed Icons seem to REALLY like them for many reasons but primarily because they say they are fantastic to helm upwind, quick around the course, the rig really works and they are more stable than a lot. Seems Icons are good in most conditions and great in a blow and will accept a range of crew sizes up to about 25 stone. Anyone got any honest opinions on the boat .... not from the Forum Chat but from actually sailing one..... interested to hear some honest views from people who like it the way it is and not with Twin Trapezes, foils, a Rig from an international 14 and the bowsprit from an 18' skiff! 
The boat isn't expensive so I hope that people will realise its good and start buying, don't want to be the only one having fun LOL


I have been sailing an Icon for 18 months and I would absolutely agree with all of the comments that Ecosse has picked up and would add that, being very easy to depower, it also works surprisingly well with a lighter overall crew weight. Performance in big seas is also impressive, both upwind and down.
One of the reasons I chose the Icon was because I wanted a double hander that wasn’t going to be too demanding in terms of crew skills and yet was still going to be interesting for both of us to sail. This year I had a beginner RS700 helm as crew on Sundays and a complete novice as crew on Wednesdays and it worked! A few weeks back neither were available and it was the first time I had to make a second phone call to find a replacement. So a double hander that is exciting to sail but with the minimum of crew hassle.   Grf is moving his version in a different direction (nothing surprising there) but if that works for him then great.
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Originally posted by Hector

Going back to the PY issue. My club is a Sailjuice Series venue, and if you asked to enter with GrFCon or whatever we'd give it a PY of 950. Why? 
<span style="line-height: 1.4;">Clearly It 'ought' to be quicker than an Icon and they're on 1000</span>
Your avowed intent is it should be faster than a Merlin and they're on 975. 
So 950 <span style="line-height: 1.4;">seems</span><span style="line-height: 1.4;"> </span><span style="line-height: 1.4;">about right. Not that difficult really.</span>


Which is exactly what's wrong with the system as it currently stands. I haven't even built it yet and you're handicapping it beyond it's performance. You've no idea what sail plan, sail area, volume, waterline length, wetted area, beam and righting moment, wether it has a trapeze or not, yet it's 950 so not a chance you'll be seeing it in any of your Silly Sailjuice series is there?
No surprise, new boats don't get a look in with that attitude is there? Same as Sailboards were quickly banned from those Open Meetings after we creamed the Burnham Icicle in 1982. Silly silly yottie status quo preservation, rotting away with its Merlins and Fireballs and Solos..

Progressive Boat Builders should gather together, and promote a formula based handicap, remove it from the likes of old buffers like that there Hector, I can't believe I knew him when he was young and virile as a racing windsurfer, look what's happened to him now.

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