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Bootscooter 
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 Topic: R SpeculationPosted: 30 Oct 13 at 9:35pm |
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I like the look (and sound) of it so far.... in terms of rig use how would we think it'd compare to my OK? Obviously it'll be faster, but I'd imagine that with that mast and sail it'd be a similar experience...
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Hector
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Posted: 30 Oct 13 at 10:38pm |
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I'd be suprised if it was launched with a Dacron sail - but if they do, it does give them the chance to change it to film later and sell more sails.
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Keith
29er 661 (with my daughters / nephew) 49er 688 (with Phil P) RS200 968 Vortex (occasionally) Laser 2049XX |
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yellowwelly
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Posted: 30 Oct 13 at 10:44pm |
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Would that be one or two classes Hector? I 'd rather be the Mylar world champ than the Dacron one...
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rb_stretch
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Posted: 30 Oct 13 at 11:22pm |
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The photos, for what they are worth, suggest quite a flat rocker. I hope that doesn't make them too sailor weight sensitive...
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Jon711
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Posted: 30 Oct 13 at 11:51pm |
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From what I can tell from the pictures, it looks like a cross between a Vario and a D1. Rocker and hull remind me more of a Vario than a D1, in which case (assuming I'm right), should not make it too sensitive, BUT, we are looking at development models, so things may, and probably will, change. I just hope there is a gap in the already crowded market for it, and that if it does take off, and the only class it kills is that bloody awful, godforsaken Laser/Torch, and not some of the more modern, better developed dinghies on the market today!!!
I await the abuse, I am bound to receive from Laser/Torch sailors, for my comments.... For what it is worth, I think it looks more in the Solution bracket, than anything else.... Would I get one? No..... I love sitting on wings too much... Jon |
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craiggo
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Posted: 30 Oct 13 at 11:53pm |
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I don't mind the multi-rig concept as long as it is clearly defined at the start and doesn't descend into the 100 farce. Somehow the different size rigs need to be easily recognisable, and not just a little number by the clew, preferably a different class logo. Good luck in developing the critical mass that takes it to being THE singlehander of choice. It will take a lot of effort and a lot of time and patience.
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yellowwelly
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Posted: 31 Oct 13 at 12:07am |
2014 Y&Y forum's Laser Killer is.... the RS 50. (I think that's what's being mooted anyway) The UK has a very complex and mature (shrinking) market for racing dinghies. I would not particularly bother promoting that boat in the UK too heavily despite the local allegiance and brand loyalties. It'd only end in boom/bust with class politics kicking in, not to mention the handicapping issue... possibly spreading a negative vibe to other more lucrative markets. I'd package it up with a fusion of of beachside Aloha and Brit Hip - then close the deal with Sheikh funded institutions in the middle east, the rapidly expanding middle classes in China, Singapore, S Korea and sell a bit of design Kool Aid to the American college network- at 5 grand a pop those puppies would roll out if marketed as something new and different. Their new Antipodean dealer network ramping up demos for organic growth would also be a key goal- win the Aussies and Kiwis- they are the sailing elite of the moment. None of those markets have the same intensity of issues faced launching here. Launch a new dinghy targeted at Brits... no way, we're not worth it. Edited by yellowwelly - 31 Oct 13 at 12:11am |
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iGRF
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Posted: 31 Oct 13 at 9:24am |
Well I didn't think for one moment it wasn't all of that, but then lots of other boats are as well, like the new Supernova I read somewhere you'd had a bash in, (it's another of my favourite under rated boats), it suffers however with that closed market for sail design. I think half the reason the Solo works is the ability to choose your own sailmaker. If RS were canny enough to do the same with this, then it might take the Solo on, sail lofts might use it and their resources to promote their wares, it would be a good vehicle for the dozens of small owner rider lofts to adopt and hey, half the marketing budget goes elsewhere. I guess the reason SMOD builders don't is because there's more margin in the sail than the hardware, but if this truly got going you could have two classes, one with supplied sails and one 'Open build' that way everyone could be satisfied, all in the same class. |
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Posted: 31 Oct 13 at 10:24am |
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Graeme/Jim
My singlehanded boat for the last two seasons and currently, is an epoxy Supernova so I fully understand its plus points, which are very many. I accept that there are a group of sailors who like to buy different cuts of sails all the time, but the mass market doesn't want the hassle of matching this sail to that mast, with this body weight. The supernova, blaze, laser, and even your eps are one sail designs and personally I have always shied away from anything that needs this sort of mix and match approach. There is plenty enough to think about on the water than whether i had picked the wrong sail for the conditions or the pizza I had at lunch time. The mass market want a simple boat with some sail variety to allow for the skinny's and the pie eaters, which you can just take out for an easy sail, but allows you to race around the cans on a midweek evening if thats your thing. My wife hates racing, but sitting on a beach in the med she is very happy to take out a pico or a laser radial and go for a yacht around the bay. That is what makes a boat successful and if it gets into production I'd hope this boat would do the same. Mr Kirby apparently designed the Laser as a beach boat and it was a bit of a surprise that it ended up as a race boat. Mast is well forward, which makes it go upwind nicely (perhaps the Finn guys were right) but there is plenty of buoyancy up front so in 12-15knots it wasn't at all nosy downwind. It would be good at some later date to see what its like in 20+ knots. The lightness is really the key point of this boat as it has the great benefit that the boat never really loads it just transfers the pressure into forward motion and that probably helps as well downwind. Boom is plenty high enough for tacking and its less prone to irons than most s'handers I have sailed. It didn't look to have excessive rocker and the boats with two quite different weights and different sails appeared well matched for speed but this was not a test of any sort. Jim, not sure where your name came from, but I haven't heard that they are even near a name and its certainly not a boat just aimed at the RS Over 50's  . I would stress agin, this is only a prototype and nowhere near a production boat so y'all need to let RS have the development time and make the right decision. Oh and the most important point of all is that when you pop it in the water and let go it stays upright - hurrah!
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iGRF
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Posted: 31 Oct 13 at 12:13pm |
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So now, will you be selling your epoxy Supernova in favour of the RaSer?
And if you were comparing the two, what would be the pro's and cons of each? (I like the Supernova and have a regular tussle with one down the lake in it's old Giles incarnation). I don't recall the Supernova being particularly nosy, it just suffers the usual issues with full batten high roach sails. |
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