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blaze720 
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 Topic: HaloPosted: 09 Oct 13 at 12:54pm |
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If it has not got an officially supplied BLAZE logo on it ... it is not a Blaze and is not eligible for racing as one.
If it has not got an officially supplied Halo logo on it .... it is not a Halo and is not eligible for racing as one. simples .... Edited by blaze720 - 09 Oct 13 at 12:54pm |
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yellowwelly
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Posted: 09 Oct 13 at 12:58pm |
yes, but who enforces that? We have replica sails all over the place not making boats officially anything other than officially out of class. They still officially end up racing and seem to get an officially recognised result that might get fed back into the RYA official sanctioned returned process affecting the official PY for next year.... this is an officially pointless point to prove herein lies a great opportunity to 'flex the rules'. I would have called it cheating before Graeme's post yesterday, now I know it's just par for the course in dinghy sailing.
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blaze720
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Posted: 09 Oct 13 at 7:14pm |
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The bit of University graffiti I once read was " We are the people our parents warned us about"
If you want rules obeyed - keep them simple, not a pedants charter. If you want the rules obeyed by the others - try obeying them yourself If you want the rules enforced - then mostly we are the people who must do it Gawd .... time again to just go sailing ! Mike L. |
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yellowwelly
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Posted: 09 Oct 13 at 9:45pm |
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I did just that- great advice!
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Jeepers
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Posted: 09 Oct 13 at 11:27pm |
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"... there are quite a few Halo out there now"
How many sailing? How many at the Nationals? "...in time club returns will end up determining a reliable or general handicap number" But if there are only a handful sailing after however many years now, how long will it be before enough critical mass is built to give it a robust portsmouth number? Easy answer for most big guys...buy a Phantom,get some of the most competitive singlehanded sailing in the UK, and sod the handicap. Is this a boatbuilder marketing/reviving a dead duck on the cheap? |
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yellowwelly
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Posted: 10 Oct 13 at 8:55am |
shock news- not everyone in China eats rice. I'm 100kg, and I can without doubt say my second worst boat bought was a Phantom. I am not going to try and overly justify why I didn't like it, I just didn't- these things are personal. I didn't like the racing I did in it (handicap) and the boat itself was just a hulking great thing that seemed to lack the finesse of a Finn, or even the playfulness of my current boat- a Solo. Sure it was quick enough in light wind, but the RS300 was quicker and nicer in every possible way. Sure a lot of big guys like sailing them- great, they've built up a good class racing programme and don't we know anything in this direction is positive for the sport. And for what it's worth, those blokes all seem like really nice fellas too. But the boat is not for everyone- no boat ever is. I'd like to try a HALO one day- I almost bought one once, but at the time I was infatuated with the idea of sailing with a kite... come to think of it, no kite probably added to my dislike of the Phantom too, but either way I wouldn't ever want another one.
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iGRF
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Posted: 10 Oct 13 at 9:40am |
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My mate sails a Phantom, got it not long before I got the Blaze, we're both ex windsurfers, I mess about in all manner of boats, he's stuck with his Phantom, like me he's not the best of boat handlers, but unlike me he stuck with it, to the point when it gets puffy he sails better than I, certainly in the EPS, I don't go over that often in the ALTO and if I do it's always the crews fault
 but he's pulling in some good actual over the water results (i.e finishing races the Banditerati and Mackerel fleet don't) so in that regard I think it's a bloody good boat, whereas the Blaze/Halo wouldn't have afforded that accommodation. I may not have stuck with it but the new guy has and he is a bloody good boat handler and mid wind speed he's always up there, but when it gets super puffy he's over with the rest of them and my chum often soldiers on.
So as a sea boat the Phantom has it right across the range, the Blaze Halo? Flat water, inland estuary stuff, fine, but gusty offshore big wave stuff, hmm the Phantom is the better boat imv. Edited by iGRF - 10 Oct 13 at 9:41am |
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Posted: 10 Oct 13 at 9:54am |
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I think you must be the only person in the universe who thinks that the Phantom excels in stronger winds than the Blaze.
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Posted: 10 Oct 13 at 9:58am |
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Hmm, Where I am its windy and wavy. Wind gets up - phantom stays ashore or keeps falling over, blazes just disappear over the horizon. Personally not that keen on either boat, but on the sea I'd take the Blaze every time. Inland pond sailing, Phantom will have the edge. That said handicaps are now catching up with the Phantom.
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Dougaldog
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Posted: 10 Oct 13 at 10:07am |
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Hi there Welly... a BIG +1 for you there! Like you, I'm on the boundary between a 2 and 3 figure weight in kgs so need a boat that carries weight. I was well placed therefore to do the feature for DSM titled 'Big Boys Toys' (i've still got a copy of that here.... in hindsight makes interesting reading!). So, I spent time sailing all of the boats that aspire to being for the pie eaters, from Finns to RS 300 and just about everything else in between. The Finn is still an amazing boat to sail but from an 'experience' point of view the 300 certainly raised the excitement threshold. Interestingly, on the back of this I too moved into the Phantom class, although the racing was on PY, there were other Phantoms so you had that boat on boat competition that we all prize so highly. Once I'd sorted out how to de-power the rig in breeze the boat was quick and well able to perform on PY. But...was I enjoying it? I then got a reality check, I borrowed for an afternoon a very old Rondar Contender, alloy stick, knackered sail, no pro-grip (it had that Rondar slippery non slip finish everywhere....banana skins all round!) yet I had more 'fun' sailing that for half an hour than I'd had winning races in the Phantom.
This is to take nothing from the Paul Wright single hander, it's superbly developed to do just what owners want it to do and is a well supported class run by a great group of sailors. Like you though, I just didn't 'connect' with the boat in a way that would see me wanting to sail it season on season. Then I sailed the Halo, in fact a couple of 'good' sails at different times. Like this 300, this is a boat that very quickly 'gets your attention'! From my perspective as one who was at the time 'having to sail all the boats for work!' the difference between the HALO and 300 was a simple one of accessibility. Even for someone used to sailing single handers, the 300 represents a steep learning curve and I got the impression from sailing the boat in breeze and open water that you'd need to work hard to maintain the required skill levels. The Halo however starts out from a more stable hull platform so the 'gratification' came in much sooner and at a lower baseline skill level. I have no doubt at all that you could step out of your Solo and straight into a Halo and achieve 'lift off'. Like everything, it is horses for courses; if you want that buoyant open meeting circuit, then the Phantom is as good at that as it is at topping the PY results, ditto the Solo. On the other hand, if you are a club sailor looking for something extra in the 'wow' factor stakes, then the Halo has to be worth a look. As I said at the time, the 'concept' behind the Halo (that you could have the Blaze and then add in the Halo rig when you wanted something different) was a clever idea and one that may well develop. Some very clever people have posted about the varying rig size approach taken elsewhere, the Halo is taking this path and I for one wish it well (and yes, I'll be trying the 'new style' Halo rig so I can do a comparison). D |
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