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    Posted: 04 Oct 13 at 5:13pm
The hadron is 14' long, merlin width, has 10m2 of sail right?
About 80kg ready to sail?
It should be RS300 speed really then - PY1000
I.e. faster than a phant.
Although that assumes that everything is optimised and executed nicely in the design to maximise the potential indicated by its vital stats
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The quality and content of the mag has hit an all time low and I won't be renewing my subscription. 
Not long ago, we had Dinghy Sailing magazine which Y&Y took over, then Y&Y went from 2 weekly to monthly.  Roll tacks used to be a double page every 2 weeks now its one page once a month.
Last months clubs & classes was only 4 pages, it included, Fireball Nationals, SB20 nationals, Optimist nationals, B14 worlds, Firefly nationals, Flying 15 nationals, National 18 nationals, Squib nationals, 420 nationals, J24 nationals, Contender Worlds, Enterprise nationals, OK Europeans, and on an area the size of a postage stamp was the D-one nationals.  Yes all of that and a bit more was on 4 pages.  There was no top 10 results, gear guide, etc.. like there used to be.  In the old mag, bits like the Optimist/Fireball nationals would of had a double page.
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I'd expect it to be slower than a 300, though easier to get the speed from it. The Phantom is longer and has a bigger sail, so why slower than the Hadron? Over all, sitting out power only matters when you are overpowered, and a PN reflects all wind strengths.
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You'll be rm limited upwind in a una singlehander in 8 to 10kts so it's a big factor.
Phant has 9.75m2 sail iirc, 300 and hadron 10m2.
Agreed phant is longer but if the hadron is 7'4" wide like a merlin it's massively wider thus more powerful.
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Originally posted by Ruscoe


Originally posted by hobbiteater


Originally posted by mongrel

The quality and content of the mag has hit an all time low and I won't be renewing my subscription. 
Not long ago, we had Dinghy Sailing magazine which Y&Y took over, then Y&Y went from 2 weekly to monthly.  Roll tacks used to be a double page every 2 weeks now its one page once a month.

Last months clubs & classes was only 4 pages, it included, Fireball Nationals, SB20 nationals, Optimist nationals, B14 worlds, Firefly nationals, Flying 15 nationals, National 18 nationals, Squib nationals, 420 nationals, J24 nationals, Contender Worlds, Enterprise nationals, OK Europeans, and on an area the size of a postage stamp was the D-one nationals.  Yes all of that and a bit more was on 4 pages.  There was no top 10 results, gear guide, etc.. like there used to be.  In the old mag, bits like the Optimist/Fireball nationals would of had a double page.

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I know what you mean - trouble is the old interweb means that nothing in a monthly magazine is "news" per se so all it can be is comment/features.
I don't think boat tests were particularly hard hitting and objective esp for advertisers even in the days of Peter Bentley back in the early nineties when I started reading it.
Plus circulation for print media of this sort will inevitably down so the pickings between adverts and pics will inevitably be slim if the economics are to stack up.
It's the same with seahorse - a lot of the content now is a bit irrelevant, the editorial off the pace, but they don't have quite te same online presence.
Whilst this all sounds grim, I still buy the odd copy of razzle at the garage despite there being no reason, economic or otherwise, that I should have to do this in this day and age. Maybe I am an old sentimentalist who likes the sun to glint off a glossy page from time to time rather than the screen, but I think the mag will always have a future of some sort.
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Is the Phantom sail really "only" that? Looks much larger. For some reason I thought the measured area given was not the whole story - something from when Steve C was measuring sails for the Rooster boat.

Edit: It was the Halo sail development, not the 8.1, I think.


Edited by Rupert - 04 Oct 13 at 6:35pm
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It isn't in the case of the laser certainly, it's actually closer to 8m or something.
Pretty much all other classes are subject to measurement by broadly similar means and as such apples with apples comparisons can be made.
Check phant site but fairly sure it's 9.75
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When I was sailing one it was 105 sq ft, what ever that is in french. The Solo and the OK were 90 sq ft
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Originally posted by iGRF

And whilst I'm off ranting again, what is it with the fixation of mounting the mast up on the deck, how does that make any sense, why not bang it on the floor, they did that with the Icon, I just don't get it. Save a few pence on mast length, a few grammes weight, it can't be any other reason that I can think of..


Those shrouds look to me like Merlin style raking gear.
Being able to rake the rig on the fly is IMHO, the key to Merlins being a nuisance to lesser mortals over the whole wind range.
Borrowing that feature for a singlehander seems like a good idea, particularly if you might hope to get some customers from the Merlin fleet, where Keith C has a long record.

I think N12's are the same?
Is there any dev class where deck-stepped and raking is allowed where it is not popular?
Possibly we can discount classes with big asymmetrcs, as the need to get the most out of the main downwind might be a little bit in the shade?


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In 14s most are deck stepped although nobody really rakes in a race - it'd lose you a hundred metres easily. Most boats have pinned rigs.
Plus like you say, big rake ranges aren't great for getting the hoist length of the assymetric right, and getting more out of the main is a little bit incidental when you have 35m of kite
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