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Daniel Holman ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 17 Nov 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 997 |
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The hadron is 14' long, merlin width, has 10m2 of sail right?
About 80kg ready to sail? It should be RS300 speed really then - PY1000 I.e. faster than a phant. Although that assumes that everything is optimised and executed nicely in the design to maximise the potential indicated by its vital stats |
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Ruscoe ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 12 Jan 10 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1514 |
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+100 It's not even a shadow of its former self.
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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I'd expect it to be slower than a 300, though easier to get the speed from it. The Phantom is longer and has a bigger sail, so why slower than the Hadron? Over all, sitting out power only matters when you are overpowered, and a PN reflects all wind strengths.
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Daniel Holman ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 17 Nov 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 997 |
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You'll be rm limited upwind in a una singlehander in 8 to 10kts so it's a big factor.
Phant has 9.75m2 sail iirc, 300 and hadron 10m2. Agreed phant is longer but if the hadron is 7'4" wide like a merlin it's massively wider thus more powerful. |
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Daniel Holman ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 17 Nov 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 997 |
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I know what you mean - trouble is the old interweb means that nothing in a monthly magazine is "news" per se so all it can be is comment/features. I don't think boat tests were particularly hard hitting and objective esp for advertisers even in the days of Peter Bentley back in the early nineties when I started reading it. Plus circulation for print media of this sort will inevitably down so the pickings between adverts and pics will inevitably be slim if the economics are to stack up. It's the same with seahorse - a lot of the content now is a bit irrelevant, the editorial off the pace, but they don't have quite te same online presence. Whilst this all sounds grim, I still buy the odd copy of razzle at the garage despite there being no reason, economic or otherwise, that I should have to do this in this day and age. Maybe I am an old sentimentalist who likes the sun to glint off a glossy page from time to time rather than the screen, but I think the mag will always have a future of some sort. |
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Is the Phantom sail really "only" that? Looks much larger. For some reason I thought the measured area given was not the whole story - something from when Steve C was measuring sails for the Rooster boat.
Edit: It was the Halo sail development, not the 8.1, I think. Edited by Rupert - 04 Oct 13 at 6:35pm |
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Daniel Holman ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 17 Nov 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 997 |
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It isn't in the case of the laser certainly, it's actually closer to 8m or something.
Pretty much all other classes are subject to measurement by broadly similar means and as such apples with apples comparisons can be made. Check phant site but fairly sure it's 9.75 |
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SUGmeister ![]() Sailwave Moderators ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Jun 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 265 |
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When I was sailing one it was 105 sq ft, what ever that is in french. The Solo and the OK were 90 sq ft
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RS400atC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 04 Dec 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3011 |
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Those shrouds look to me like Merlin style raking gear. Being able to rake the rig on the fly is IMHO, the key to Merlins being a nuisance to lesser mortals over the whole wind range. Borrowing that feature for a singlehander seems like a good idea, particularly if you might hope to get some customers from the Merlin fleet, where Keith C has a long record. I think N12's are the same? Is there any dev class where deck-stepped and raking is allowed where it is not popular? Possibly we can discount classes with big asymmetrcs, as the need to get the most out of the main downwind might be a little bit in the shade? Edited by RS400atC - 04 Oct 13 at 6:56pm |
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Daniel Holman ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 17 Nov 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 997 |
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In 14s most are deck stepped although nobody really rakes in a race - it'd lose you a hundred metres easily. Most boats have pinned rigs.
Plus like you say, big rake ranges aren't great for getting the hoist length of the assymetric right, and getting more out of the main is a little bit incidental when you have 35m of kite |
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