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    Posted: 04 Oct 13 at 6:30pm
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The quality and content of the mag has hit an all time low and I won't be renewing my subscription. 
Not long ago, we had Dinghy Sailing magazine which Y&Y took over, then Y&Y went from 2 weekly to monthly.  Roll tacks used to be a double page every 2 weeks now its one page once a month.

Last months clubs & classes was only 4 pages, it included, Fireball Nationals, SB20 nationals, Optimist nationals, B14 worlds, Firefly nationals, Flying 15 nationals, National 18 nationals, Squib nationals, 420 nationals, J24 nationals, Contender Worlds, Enterprise nationals, OK Europeans, and on an area the size of a postage stamp was the D-one nationals.  Yes all of that and a bit more was on 4 pages.  There was no top 10 results, gear guide, etc.. like there used to be.  In the old mag, bits like the Optimist/Fireball nationals would of had a double page.

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I know what you mean - trouble is the old interweb means that nothing in a monthly magazine is "news" per se so all it can be is comment/features.
I don't think boat tests were particularly hard hitting and objective esp for advertisers even in the days of Peter Bentley back in the early nineties when I started reading it.
Plus circulation for print media of this sort will inevitably down so the pickings between adverts and pics will inevitably be slim if the economics are to stack up.
It's the same with seahorse - a lot of the content now is a bit irrelevant, the editorial off the pace, but they don't have quite te same online presence.
Whilst this all sounds grim, I still buy the odd copy of razzle at the garage despite there being no reason, economic or otherwise, that I should have to do this in this day and age. Maybe I am an old sentimentalist who likes the sun to glint off a glossy page from time to time rather than the screen, but I think the mag will always have a future of some sort.
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You'll be rm limited upwind in a una singlehander in 8 to 10kts so it's a big factor.
Phant has 9.75m2 sail iirc, 300 and hadron 10m2.
Agreed phant is longer but if the hadron is 7'4" wide like a merlin it's massively wider thus more powerful.
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I'd expect it to be slower than a 300, though easier to get the speed from it. The Phantom is longer and has a bigger sail, so why slower than the Hadron? Over all, sitting out power only matters when you are overpowered, and a PN reflects all wind strengths.
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Originally posted by hobbiteater

Originally posted by mongrel

The quality and content of the mag has hit an all time low and I won't be renewing my subscription. 
Not long ago, we had Dinghy Sailing magazine which Y&Y took over, then Y&Y went from 2 weekly to monthly.  Roll tacks used to be a double page every 2 weeks now its one page once a month.
Last months clubs & classes was only 4 pages, it included, Fireball Nationals, SB20 nationals, Optimist nationals, B14 worlds, Firefly nationals, Flying 15 nationals, National 18 nationals, Squib nationals, 420 nationals, J24 nationals, Contender Worlds, Enterprise nationals, OK Europeans, and on an area the size of a postage stamp was the D-one nationals.  Yes all of that and a bit more was on 4 pages.  There was no top 10 results, gear guide, etc.. like there used to be.  In the old mag, bits like the Optimist/Fireball nationals would of had a double page.
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The hadron is 14' long, merlin width, has 10m2 of sail right?
About 80kg ready to sail?
It should be RS300 speed really then - PY1000
I.e. faster than a phant.
Although that assumes that everything is optimised and executed nicely in the design to maximise the potential indicated by its vital stats
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full length central buoyancy tanks are the way forward.  Keeps the boat low out of a capsize and stops the water sloshing from side to side keeping it stable while you get your feet and get moving. Also lets the boat float lower on it's side allowing you to get on the board.

I built pretty much all my 12's like it and with or without a double floor they are pretty helpful. Helps if you've got a bit of freeboard though to keep you up on your feet into manueveurs. 

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Originally posted by Rupert

It isn't cost, it is what you can do with the mast, and the way it behaves. There are advantages to both, but modern rig set up appears to favour the deck stopped mast. It is also why lowers have come into fashion, too, as a hog stepped mast has the deck to take many of the forces.Using the hated (by you) Merlin as an example, I'm pretty sure the one string raking rig would be pretty hard to do with a hog stepped mast.



I can understand why they do it with wash through designs like the EPS, but the Hadron isn't one of those at least there is a whole lot of potential mast supporting freeboard between the bottom of the boat and the deck almost to the point an unstayed rig would work, he's not trapezing either so why deck mount, have all those wires, reduce your ability to sail clew first, by the lee, whatever you want to call it.

Tell me one single advantage of deck mounting the mast, other than the ability to use some cheap short poc
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I reckon it's tied around the rudder on the shore.... buoyancy test at Alton Water SC???
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Originally posted by tgruitt

 


what's the craic with the mainsheet?  did you lose it in the capsize?
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