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    Posted: 04 Oct 13 at 3:19pm
I reckon that'll self drain- my Solo's slow enough for water to become an issue in light winds.  If I leave the bailers open or mess up a tack, or even get to start line late after taking in a welly load of water rushing to launch.... well it's curtains.  You'd be surprised quite how much water even a small amount visually can be.

That's not a Solo though, it'll be far quicker and will drain.

Besides even contemplating sailing in such drifting wind that it doesn't drain... have a word.


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Originally posted by iGRF

And whilst I'm off ranting again, what is it with the fixation of mounting the mast up on the deck, how does that make any sense, why not bang it on the floor, they did that with the Icon, I just don't get it. Save a few pence on mast length, a few grammes weight, it can't be any other reason that I can think of..

it's called hog stepped innit?  I know, I know... you're more used to websites that feature hog ties....
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It isn't cost, it is what you can do with the mast, and the way it behaves. There are advantages to both, but modern rig set up appears to favour the deck stopped mast. It is also why lowers have come into fashion, too, as a hog stepped mast has the deck to take many of the forces.

Using the hated (by you) Merlin as an example, I'm pretty sure the one string raking rig would be pretty hard to do with a hog stepped mast.
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Originally posted by iGRF

Originally posted by yellowwelly

my only reservation is the central bouyancy tank... having served my time now smashing my legs over the centreboard casing of the Solo, I'm not sure this would really appeal on a design where these 'old school' niggles are supposed to be removed.
Why this, and not a couple of big inflatables down the back corners?


Inflatable bags? What like a merlin? Shut up will you, you need to go into that small room, put your head into the large white telephone and push the button marked flush, then check the date, which century we're in, get some perspective.
I don't mind that and I certainly like that it's got a centreboard, think i'd put my toestrap up on the side of it, what also would likely annoy me is water hanging about, it doesn't look as if it going to self drain.


Note how the transom flaps are still closed.....
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I think it crys out for continuous control lines to tidy it up. Just takes a little time but worth the effort and doesn't cost more than a few beers Embarrassed
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Originally posted by tgruitt

 


what's the craic with the mainsheet?  did you lose it in the capsize?
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I reckon it's tied around the rudder on the shore.... buoyancy test at Alton Water SC???
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Originally posted by Rupert

It isn't cost, it is what you can do with the mast, and the way it behaves. There are advantages to both, but modern rig set up appears to favour the deck stopped mast. It is also why lowers have come into fashion, too, as a hog stepped mast has the deck to take many of the forces.Using the hated (by you) Merlin as an example, I'm pretty sure the one string raking rig would be pretty hard to do with a hog stepped mast.



I can understand why they do it with wash through designs like the EPS, but the Hadron isn't one of those at least there is a whole lot of potential mast supporting freeboard between the bottom of the boat and the deck almost to the point an unstayed rig would work, he's not trapezing either so why deck mount, have all those wires, reduce your ability to sail clew first, by the lee, whatever you want to call it.

Tell me one single advantage of deck mounting the mast, other than the ability to use some cheap short poc
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full length central buoyancy tanks are the way forward.  Keeps the boat low out of a capsize and stops the water sloshing from side to side keeping it stable while you get your feet and get moving. Also lets the boat float lower on it's side allowing you to get on the board.

I built pretty much all my 12's like it and with or without a double floor they are pretty helpful. Helps if you've got a bit of freeboard though to keep you up on your feet into manueveurs. 

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