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    Posted: 04 Oct 13 at 11:26am
Ah he's turned up here whilst I'm berating him elsewhere..

Tom it's not what you wrote, it's that I'd value more of it, I understand you have been constrained to a small area and being the photographer you so obviously are, using the picture paints a thousand words syndrome.

But it's not enough for fanatical enthusiasts like where I am at the moment, I want to hoover every last drop, I am interested in that boat have followed it on and off, thought it would be good for my lake activities and it certainly looks faster than my EPS and with a lower PY, maybe I'd even be in with a prayer for a change.

So I'd have liked it up against similar boats, like Blazes, Phantoms, Laser etc, then I'd like to read what kind of sail it has, how it's cut, how it depowers, how easy the boat is to tip over, I note even you managed to capsize that would instantly worry me, I don't like all that tipping over nonsense it's very disturbing.

We need a scale of 1 -10 on tippyoverness, the same as we need a scale 1-10 on actual speed if the PY won't offer a speed scale maybe some clever chaps like you and Dan and co could work out a fact based performance index, then a really enterprising bunch of dinghy professionals hooked up to an online mag could make a bunch of money doing what I suggested in that for the magazine post.

There's so much y'all could do that we want and would happily pay money to read, I just hate it when I pay money for something I was actually looking forward to reading only for it to last a few seconds..
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Both would be good! In a case like this, comparing a new boat with what is already on the market would give a good idea of where the boat fits in the scheme of things.

Would the big players be willing, though? Q'ba V's Pico V's whatever Hartley's new roto offering is called?

I know you occasionally test older designs where something has changed (I enjoyed the Lightning review, for instance), so I can see while a review where you did Solo V's Lightning V's Streaker might make an interesting read, it really needs a "point". All the boats have been re-vamped, but maybe just a little too long ago, and too much said already, to make it relevant. But if a new builder came into that segment, then comparing a new offering to those 3 (or 2 of them) would make for an interesting article.
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Originally posted by iGRF

 I just hate it when I pay money for something I was actually looking forward to reading only for it to last a few seconds..

you pay for porn???
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Porn no

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Originally posted by Rupert

Solo V's Lightning V's Streaker might make an interesting read, .


This.

Then Blaze v Phantom

Then Supernova V Hadron v Whatever else sits at that level.

readers are readers, they're buying more second hand stuff than new, monetize an online boat test only bit and watch what happens (I'll be sending in my consultancy fee )

If you don't, I'm minded to set one up myself, so get a move on
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Originally posted by iGRF

Ah he's turned up here whilst I'm berating him elsewhere..

Tom it's not what you wrote, it's that I'd value more of it, I understand you have been constrained to a small area and being the photographer you so obviously are, using the picture paints a thousand words syndrome.

But it's not enough for fanatical enthusiasts like where I am at the moment, I want to hoover every last drop, I am interested in that boat have followed it on and off, thought it would be good for my lake activities and it certainly looks faster than my EPS and with a lower PY, maybe I'd even be in with a prayer for a change.

So I'd have liked it up against similar boats, like Blazes, Phantoms, Laser etc, then I'd like to read what kind of sail it has, how it's cut, how it depowers, how easy the boat is to tip over, I note even you managed to capsize that would instantly worry me, I don't like all that tipping over nonsense it's very disturbing.

We need a scale of 1 -10 on tippyoverness, the same as we need a scale 1-10 on actual speed if the PY won't offer a speed scale maybe some clever chaps like you and Dan and co could work out a fact based performance index, then a really enterprising bunch of dinghy professionals hooked up to an online mag could make a bunch of money doing what I suggested in that for the magazine post.

There's so much y'all could do that we want and would happily pay money to read, I just hate it when I pay money for something I was actually looking forward to reading only for it to last a few seconds..


Thanks GRF, I can see your point of view now and will answer what I can. Sail area is the only restriction I think, so you can have your own cut should you wish as long as it fits on the mast and boom.

It wasn't really that tippy, I was running dead downwind trying to go around a fishing boat and didn't move my arse in time when the gust came on, thought about what Mr Rooster said, that you should bear away more when the boat rolls to windward, so I did that and ended up in the drink. I would say I'm average at sailing so unless you are a beginner I wouldn't really worry about it.
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Originally posted by SUGmeister


IMHO look a bit like a two man dinghy being sailed singlehandedly with the jib taken off.


Exactly what I thought. The freeboard just seems too high and the mast somewhat further back then you expect on a SH.

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Originally posted by tgruitt


Originally posted by Rupert

I've yet to get my Y&Y through the door... last month was late, too.I look forward to reading the article.I would like to see boat tests where a boat like the Hadron is sailed with a Blaze, Phantom, or similar, though. Dinghy Mag used to do this every now and again. While I understand you wouldn't want to say "this one is better", as a lot is personal taste, having a race or 3 would help to show comparative speed, boat handling, and maybe what weight is better suited to each. It would make good reading, too, and might sell more mags to dinghy sailors!

Hi Rupert,Apologies for the delay but that might have something to do with us waiting for the America's Cup to finish so we had to extend our deadline a bit, you can blame ETNZ for that one! LOLThanks for your suggestion too, it seems like a few people here agree with you so I will pass it on. I suppose it would be more like a group test that might be found in a car magazine with comparable boats with different pros and cons. As you can imagine it's pretty difficult to organise but I will pass the suggestion on and discuss at our next meeting. Would you only be interested in new boats, or could we compare boats that are already on the market?


What like this Mr T?


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The quality and content of the mag has hit an all time low and I won't be renewing my subscription. 
Not long ago, we had Dinghy Sailing magazine which Y&Y took over, then Y&Y went from 2 weekly to monthly.  Roll tacks used to be a double page every 2 weeks now its one page once a month.
Last months clubs & classes was only 4 pages, it included, Fireball Nationals, SB20 nationals, Optimist nationals, B14 worlds, Firefly nationals, Flying 15 nationals, National 18 nationals, Squib nationals, 420 nationals, J24 nationals, Contender Worlds, Enterprise nationals, OK Europeans, and on an area the size of a postage stamp was the D-one nationals.  Yes all of that and a bit more was on 4 pages.  There was no top 10 results, gear guide, etc.. like there used to be.  In the old mag, bits like the Optimist/Fireball nationals would of had a double page.
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Originally posted by mongrel

The quality and content of the mag has hit an all time low and I won't be renewing my subscription. 
Not long ago, we had Dinghy Sailing magazine which Y&Y took over, then Y&Y went from 2 weekly to monthly.  Roll tacks used to be a double page every 2 weeks now its one page once a month.
Last months clubs & classes was only 4 pages, it included, Fireball Nationals, SB20 nationals, Optimist nationals, B14 worlds, Firefly nationals, Flying 15 nationals, National 18 nationals, Squib nationals, 420 nationals, J24 nationals, Contender Worlds, Enterprise nationals, OK Europeans, and on an area the size of a postage stamp was the D-one nationals.  Yes all of that and a bit more was on 4 pages.  There was no top 10 results, gear guide, etc.. like there used to be.  In the old mag, bits like the Optimist/Fireball nationals would of had a double page.
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