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yellowwelly ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 May 13 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2003 |
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I would imagine the typical dinghy connoisseur who would commission a Hadron, or build one him/herself has got more elegant objectives in mind than creating a bandit. Frankly they will build it for the love of the boat itself- and would no doubt customise it to suit their specific tastes- maybe a trapeze, maybe a gennaker- personally I think it's crying out for self tacking jib to make it a demon upwind. Sure they may race it a handicap race, and will no doubt suggest whatever spurious number it currently suggests on the Hadron website. Someone somewhere will beaver away building a case for calling it a bandit, but in all likeliness it will be the only Hadron entered, therefore the handicap will be fairly meaningless. The pursuit of sailing pleasure should not be destroyed by the rantings of folks trapped in handicap racing who don't 'get it' and ought to accept it's not for them and they'd be better off sailing in a class race.
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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Well that test is a farce, I feel robbed, I lashed out four quid to get the digi version just to read it, and for what 500-550 words?(77 lines @ average 7 wrds per line) what about little things like how it performs, line it up against something else, no wonder no one buys anything..
Don't they know why folk buy magazines? Reading a November Magazine on the internet about events that took place in September isn't exactly a recipe for future purchase and it's all about lead mines.. We're not that well served by mags in the dinghy world are we? |
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yellowwelly ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 May 13 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2003 |
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I bet Tom will appreciate that
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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I fully intend to take it up with him. He will have to have the good grace to humour me as a paying customer, eager to read and pay for what he'd written and bitterly disappointed it was only so many words. Probably more pertinent is his publishers total disregard for the needs and wants of it's buying public, maybe I should take it up with them, it's a disgrace, I hate being had for a mug. $6.50 for 550 words I could have written more myself without even having sailed it. |
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tgruitt ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 Dec 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2479 |
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Thank you for your kind words about my boat test GRF, I obviously had a better time sailing it than you did reading about it. I was asked to produce a 2 page boat test about the Hadron, which as you must have seen, I did. Trust me, I could have written 4 or 5 pages about the it. We tested the boat at the same time as the 550 Bluemotion which featured a few months a go so it made sense to have a sail while we were all in the same place. You obviously have some interest in the boat so what I suggest you do is give Keith Callaghan a call and have a go in one yourself to see how you like/don't like it. I feel it beyond my capability to write a boat test that you would ever agree with. Further to that it seems no one can build a boat that you actually like, not even yourself by the looks of that batmobile boat. Anyway, I appreciate the time you took to read the test and am looking forward to the offer of testing any of your future dinghy creations. Edited by tgruitt - 04 Oct 13 at 10:59am |
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tgruitt ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 Dec 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2479 |
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I am about 90kg and in 15 (gusting 20) knots of wind it was PLENTY powerful enough, I didn't however sail it in light winds but suspect it would still carry me quite happily as 10sqm is a pretty big sail to be honest. I think 1060/1065 is the test PY at the moment, obviously that's subject to change. |
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tgruitt ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 Dec 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2479 |
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The test was sailed in about 15 (gusting 20) knots and it felt pretty planted upwind, very much like a Merlin. Having never sailed a Phantom or Blaze it's personally hard to compare but I would say they would be comparable to sail, maybe not speed wise as I believe the Phantom would be quicker (from what I've seen of them sail). |
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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I've yet to get my Y&Y through the door... last month was late, too.
I look forward to reading the article. I would like to see boat tests where a boat like the Hadron is sailed with a Blaze, Phantom, or similar, though. Dinghy Mag used to do this every now and again. While I understand you wouldn't want to say "this one is better", as a lot is personal taste, having a race or 3 would help to show comparative speed, boat handling, and maybe what weight is better suited to each. It would make good reading, too, and might sell more mags to dinghy sailors! |
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tgruitt ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 Dec 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2479 |
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Hi Rupert, Apologies for the delay but that might have something to do with us waiting for the America's Cup to finish so we had to extend our deadline a bit, you can blame ETNZ for that one! ![]() Thanks for your suggestion too, it seems like a few people here agree with you so I will pass it on. I suppose it would be more like a group test that might be found in a car magazine with comparable boats with different pros and cons. As you can imagine it's pretty difficult to organise but I will pass the suggestion on and discuss at our next meeting. Would you only be interested in new boats, or could we compare boats that are already on the market? |
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yellowwelly ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 May 13 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2003 |
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personally I think you need to be prepared to show boats against what's already in the market. There needs to be good reason to show why someone would want to consider leaving an established class in favour of something new. I don't expect those with a marketing budget to spend on advertising will be so keen on this approach- but you are right, it would be better reading for the dinghy sailor. I'd say that one test like this an issue would compel me to buy it again rather than flick through the odd copy lying around a sailing club once in a while. Even if this were for categories of dinghy I'm unlikely to buy... Comparing an RS100 to a D1 is pointless- despite the number of gigabytes of opinions this forum has on its servers on the subject. The best review I saw recently (well in the last 5 years or so) was the one where someone chucked a Shadow into the mix against a 700 and MPS iirc.... I'd never heard of them before, and almost bought one as a result of further research. The fact that I couldn't do the SJ series in it killed it for me, but this isn't a criteria I'd be bothered about now a few of years on. Edited by yellowwelly - 04 Oct 13 at 11:31am |
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