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    Posted: 03 Oct 13 at 5:08pm
England isn't a country, so can it have a National championship? Neither is Wales, but arguably Scotland is.
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Originally posted by Peaky

England isn't a country, so can it have a National championship? Neither is Wales, but arguably Scotland is.


Of course England is a country!
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English regions? Do they really excist? What do they actually do? There is a significant difference in funding to RYA Scotland and Wales compared to English regions.

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Originally posted by Peaky

England isn't a country, so can it have a National championship? Neither is Wales, but arguably Scotland is.

There was a time when that kind of talk got some of England's neighbours conquered... then they weren't neighbours no more.... shame they've gone, few heads stuck up on poles on the ramparts of Edinburgh castle would probably save millions..... Ouch
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Should we go back to Wessex, Northumbria, Mercia, East Anglia, Cornwall? Lets undo all Alfred's efforts...

Or am I missing the reason England isn't a country?
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Originally posted by JimC



OTOH, to be controversial, I suggest that some of our youth classes shouldn't have GB Champs at all. 300/400 boat events are just silly: I would think it would be much better to have say Southern England, Northern England, Welsh Scots and Irish Champs *the same week* and things would be a lot less pressured.


I think you'll find those are called the Zone Champs.
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England is not a country recognised by the UN, it is not recognised by the EU, it does not have sovereign power to pass its own laws, it does not have embassies in other countries and there are no ambassadors to England. My passport doesn't call me English.
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Atrhletics does divide into 'home countries' for Chamionships etc and there is also the Commonwealth Games next year.   Sailing isn't a CG sport.  Good thing or bad?
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Originally posted by Peaky

England is not a country recognised by the UN, it is not recognised by the EU, it does not have sovereign power to pass its own laws, it does not have embassies in other countries and there are no ambassadors to England. My passport doesn't call me English.

Neither was Palestine for years, but I reckon most people called it a country.

And anyway as I've already told you that the GB is really called England, or it was when we took over all of our neighbours on this isle, and it was England when we invaded France in the middle ages. We only started calling it the United Kingdom to make those neighbours feel a little less aggrieved that they were part of England. Therefore in reality this isle is still England whatever the outlying areas think.

I agree with Rupert though, lets go back to the good old days when it were the different kingdoms, I quite like being in Wessex, sounds nicer. In fact I might start calling my county Sumersaete again now we have our own flag at last
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Originally posted by Rupert


Or should we, with the number of classes, and small Nats turnouts for many, be talking about "Class Champions", anyway, for less well attended events? In theory, I am the Minisail National Champ. This does seem a little over the top, having defeated only 9 other people. Class Champion sounds better, doesn't it?


Some more realistic terminology like that would be good. 

It's also a bit silly that some classes (including one I sail and love) can have a "world championship" that has entries from 4 countries, whereas other classes have 25 or more countries at their worlds. Surely the classes with only a few countries represented should have an "international class championships" rather than a "world championships."
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