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    Posted: 27 Sep 13 at 11:35am
More recently than that didn't America Cubed and Stars & Stripes have a defender series?
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Originally posted by Rupert


Originally posted by Dougal

Given it is based on yacht clubs, my understanding is that any yacht club can challenge for the cup, regardless of location. There is only one defender, but there is no reason another US based YC couldn't have entered the LV cup as far as I know.

Edit: there were only 3 challengers from the rest of the world, so sponsorship for a 2nd US club was bound to be tricky. Down to costs again probably.
Traditionally, there were defender trials - here is a quote about the 1983 cup"Williams explained that Defender was built for the late Tom Blackaller’s
1983 America’s Cup effort but never made it past the Defender Trials,
as Dennis Conner’s Liberty proved indomitable…"With all the stuff on google about this time round, it is difficult to dig out any history of defender trials, at least whilst at work.


Yes, I think you are right. I definitely remember there being more than one 'home' team.
What could possibly go wrong?
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I do wonder whether the technology if it had existed for the early professional circuits, like the Ultra 30's, would have made them more successful? Will the X40's be using it now?
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I doubt it can be made to pay by advertising.
F1 is on many times every year and attracts a huge repeat audience.
I enjoyed watching some AC, but I didn't arrange my week around it the way people do for F1.
The first couple of races I watched were somehow better than the later ones.
I think it will quickly get repetative.
Same as the Olympics, I enjoyed watching around 8 or 10 races, but felt I'd seen enough come the end.
Most people will have forgotten the  minor sponsors within a month.
Skiffs doing 20 knots are more exciting IMHO.
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Originally posted by Dougal

Given it is based on yacht clubs, my understanding is that any yacht club can challenge for the cup, regardless of location. There is only one defender, but there is no reason another US based YC couldn't have entered the LV cup as far as I know.

Edit: there were only 3 challengers from the rest of the world, so sponsorship for a 2nd US club was bound to be tricky. Down to costs again probably.


Traditionally, there were defender trials - here is a quote about the 1983 cup

"Williams explained that Defender was built for the late Tom Blackaller’s 1983 America’s Cup effort but never made it past the Defender Trials, as Dennis Conner’s Liberty proved indomitable…"

With all the stuff on google about this time round, it is difficult to dig out any history of defender trials, at least whilst at work.
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I think that like Formula 1, AC sailing will now offer 'cheap' TV exposure and thus advertising in exchange for sponsorship and a not very orderly queue will form to sponsor the big, successful teams. The game has changed and I feel cost cutting will soon be a forgotten aspiration.
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Originally posted by Thunder Road

Todays Telegraph carries the bad news that the UK is only likely to be involved if costs are reduced!

That is very likely true for several other countries. Remember the French Energy team were close to building an AC72 and they usually have a better chance of getting the funding than the UK. Just look at the amount of sponsorship they get for their large round the world cats.

If the French can't do then who can?
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Originally posted by winging it

Let's face it, if a nationality rule were in force now no Brits would have had a look in this time round!



Exactly, like it or not, globalisation is apparent in just about everything, at least it gives our best a career path beyond these shores.
Maybe it'll end up being a periodic battle of the corporations, either way, the good jockeys should start to make sums comparable with lamer sports like soccer, tennis, golf, baseball etc which in turn gives a rainbow path for our youngsters to at least aspire to..
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I seem to remember that just tank testing in Holland caused months of legal wrangling in those days, do we really want to go back to more lawyers than sailors?
Todays Telegraph carries the bad news that the UK is only likely to be involved if costs are reduced!
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The nationality rule was only in for a few years and soon enough turned into a complete (but very expensive) joke. It was introduced in 1980 and by 1983 there was already the case of the designer who'd worked for both a challenger and the defender...
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