AC nationality rule

   Tough one this...getting citizenship and passports aren't difficult to change someones Nationality - take the England Rugby Team, Manu Tuilagi is Samoan (his brothers play for Samoa) but plays for England...thus naturalised.

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gbr940 Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Posting king Joined: 04 Jan 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 198	Post Options Post Reply Quote gbr940 Report Post Quote Reply Topic: AC nationality rule Posted: 26 Sep 13 at 11:41am
	Tough one this...getting citizenship and passports aren't difficult to change someones Nationality - take the England Rugby Team, Manu Tuilagi is Samoan (his brothers play for Samoa) but plays for England...thus naturalised.
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Rupert Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956	Post Options Post Reply Quote Rupert Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 26 Sep 13 at 11:42am
	Oh, and I agree about the editorial - we need more talking points, please! Though maybe not to the SA model...
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jeffers Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048	Post Options Post Reply Quote jeffers Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 26 Sep 13 at 11:51am
	The difference between this and F1 is that the F1 World Championship does not go to the 'country' (as the Auld Mug does). Fair enough use people from other countries in your design team but your design house should be in your country. Otherwise change the rules so the cup is not won by the country..... You never know the Gates foundation might decide to come and play as well as Oracle giving 2 x USA entrants...... As for relativesd and grandmothers....it is a little known fact that Anna Tunnicliffe COULD have race for GB, instead she chose USA through these rules. I am more than happy for people to choose their representative nationality as long as they meet the criteria. (Mo Farah is not English remember but he was born here and grew up here and we label him as one of our greatest athletes).
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Rupert Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956	Post Options Post Reply Quote Rupert Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 26 Sep 13 at 12:04pm
	2 USA entrants would mean defender trials, which would be interesting. But I guess that does spell out that it is a national event... now I'm in 2 minds again...
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jeffers Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048	Post Options Post Reply Quote jeffers Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 26 Sep 13 at 12:30pm
	Correct, if they went for a tighter design so it was not so expensive you could get multiple entres from multiple countires so you might need mini 'trials' for challengers too.....
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Guests Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Guest Group	Post Options Post Reply Quote Guests Quote Reply Posted: 26 Sep 13 at 1:45pm
	It's a difficult one as we all might want such a rule, but it's a money sport and so rules will be bent unless you put something in like birth nationality. Rugby rules are too slack, but where is the middle ground? Team nz was mostly kiwi which I think was a good thing and I think we all feel for them as they pioneered foiling and had won the cup twice in the past 10 days until the timers and weather said otherwise. I agree with Mark that the psychology of having a 'national' team and the support it gives is good for the sport and perhaps that means that it can't become just a cup bought by massive corporates. How about Location chosen by defender 50% of crew country nationals either by birth or 15 years residency Skipper is part of the 50% and has to be a national of the country For the next cup 50ft foiling multihulls with a one design single manufacturer wing. Foils, hulls and anything bar the wing at each teams discretion and design. ( a bit like the old DFV Cosworth days in F1 where the power sources were the same, but the rest was up to the team) Perhaps even add an overall limit to team numbers. One thing is certain, foils are here to stay.

GarethT Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 21 Apr 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 714	Post Options Post Reply Quote GarethT Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 26 Sep 13 at 1:49pm
	Now if the 50ft foiling cats were one design, then we'd have some exciting close racing. Obviously the trade off is in new technical developments.

Guests Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Guest Group	Post Options Post Reply Quote Guests Quote Reply Posted: 26 Sep 13 at 2:11pm
	Wel, my logic is that the wings and there development were the single most expensive part of boat, so if you standardise that, then you bring down cost. The most expensive part of the campaigns were the size of the teams, so again a restriction in numbers would limit the costs. By allowing freedom elsewhere you keep the interest levels and the new development that is a feature of such events. It brings an extra fission of excitement. Once you go complete one design, part of the mystique is lost. You might as well stick them in tP 52's

Rupert Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956	Post Options Post Reply Quote Rupert Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 26 Sep 13 at 2:28pm
	The AC ethos has always been "my boat is faster than your boat", and whilst the sailing team is part of that, it is very different to "my team is faster than your team". One designs would kill that - and why would a billionaire agree to limiting any edge he can buy?
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Noah Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 29 Dec 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 611	Post Options Post Reply Quote Noah Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 26 Sep 13 at 2:38pm
	AC has never been a contest between nations. It's background is very, very rich b******ds buying design, build and crew services from wherever, and representing a yacht club as either challenger or defender. I believe there was once a nationality rule, but the important thing to remember is that the holder makes the rules! (Even the Deed of Gift has been subject to lawyers IIRC).
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