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    Posted: 11 Sep 13 at 9:13pm
Originally posted by getafix

Granted the boats are very impressive and the sailors on show are some of the best... But really I'm not buying all this "close racing" blarney.. There have been some close first mark roundings but after that, barring yesterday's fluffed 'foiling tack' by OTUSA it's basically been a procession


So you've not actually watched it then.
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Originally posted by JimC

Les face it: match racing is almost always a procession. Boat A gets ahead and covers.

Not sure I agree completely. Upwind perhaps, but in these races the trailing boat doesn't seem to have the ability to attack downwind as they would in a 'traditional' race. 

Whilst the downwind stuff has been exciting, in the races I've seen there doesn't seem to be any distance gained or lost at all - just an evenly matched drag race.
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Because the boats are so fast and therefore the apparent wind is so far forward the boat behind on the run cannot sit on the boat ahead to catch up, slower boats that dont sail as much on apparent wind allow the boat behind to attack better on the run and make for closer races and more overtaking.
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Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

Originally posted by getafix

Granted the boats are very impressive and the sailors on show are some of the best... But really I'm not buying all this "close racing" blarney.. There have been some close first mark roundings but after that, barring yesterday's fluffed 'foiling tack' by OTUSA it's basically been a procession


So you've not actually watched it then.

oh but I have, just my 'glasses' have slightly less of a rose tinted view to them? 
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Originally posted by GarethT

Originally posted by JimC

Les face it: match racing is almost always a procession. Boat A gets ahead and covers.

Not sure I agree completely. Upwind perhaps, but in these races the trailing boat doesn't seem to have the ability to attack downwind as they would in a 'traditional' race. 

Whilst the downwind stuff has been exciting, in the races I've seen there doesn't seem to be any distance gained or lost at all - just an evenly matched drag race.



agreed, the reality is that only a gear failure or human error is going to result in a downwind pass due to the nature of the beasts (although this may change if it goes mega light, but I'm not sure there isn't a min wind speed agreed), you can argue human error is part of racing but you can't argue that gear failure is something which can be relied upon to happen at a particular point or (fairly) initiated by a competitor towards the other boat
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in cat racing the down wind leg can offer more opportunites for gains losses, can be more tactical than beating , where a well executed gybe can loose lots less than a tack 

thats why we do it !!!!

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Do you match race your cats?
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It has made me wonder what team racing Dart 16's or similar would be like, compared to Fireflies. The tactics would need to change, bit it could be fun?
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We'll see if Ben can change things around tonight!




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