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Steve411 
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Joined: 09 Sep 08 Location: Cheddar, Somerset, England Online Status: Offline Posts: 705 |
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 Topic: bags versus chutesPosted: 09 Sep 13 at 6:48pm |
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2 added benefits with bags (in addition to no water coming down the chute) - - it's potentially much more stable on the drop as the crew does all the retrieving instead of the helm steering with the tiller between his knees pulling the downhaul (although the crew can do this also it's a lot to do as he/she also has to stow the pole)
- your tacks and upwind work improves. You need to put a lot of practice in to get the hoists and drops right, so you correspondingly also have to do a lot of windward work in between drops and hoists.
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rogerd
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Posted: 09 Sep 13 at 7:23pm |
There could be reason you cant find a slick or even half decent crew........scroll down to the crew chastisement thread and you have found your answer. Edited by rogerd - 09 Sep 13 at 7:26pm |
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RS400atC
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Posted: 09 Sep 13 at 7:45pm |
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I would have thought the main thing that has not been mentioned yet is that bags can be a bit of a horror on RTC courses when you find you need to launch on a reach and the kite is in the windward bag.
A chute behind the jib tack suffers this too, compared to a proper chute that exits ahead of the jib. I would say the real answer is go with what is best for the boat in question, unless you are speciailising in particular sea conditions. So bags for a Fireball unless it's almost all inland use, and a chute for most others, unless you are seeking an edge on long choppy courses? |
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Neal_g
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Posted: 09 Sep 13 at 10:55pm |
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Bags every time in my opinion GRF keeps coming and licking the side of my boat he secretly loves bags really.
but in all seriousness a couple hours on the water and you'll be slick with bags in no time especially on a miracle. main benefits are less weight in front of boat helm can steer at leeward mark and concentrate on other boats. dropping on a windy leg if helm is heavy then crew can go in and helm stays out. drier boat in waves |
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iitick
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Posted: 10 Sep 13 at 7:13am |
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Fireballs used to use chutes but now opt for bags don't they? Dryer in the boat?
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Posted: 10 Sep 13 at 7:48am |
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But RS, Laser, Topper, 9ers, use chutes for ALL their boats. Make of that what you will...
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iitick
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Posted: 10 Sep 13 at 8:03am |
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Fireballs do make a lot of fuss in waves?
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Paramedic
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Posted: 10 Sep 13 at 8:05am |
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Fireballs have no freeboard and until quire recently no means to drain the water they took in efficiently. Now that they are almost self draining i'd be very tempted to have one on a new boat. Its simply got to be faster on a trapeze boat to be able to drop the kite properly with the crew out on the wire.
I don't believe that a chute need be heavy with modern materials, or that the weight of a new kite is significant enough to worry about as it won't absorb water - I know they do when they get old but fashion is driven by those at the front using new kit. If water ingress is still a perceived issue then a chute cover as seen on a Flying 15 should solve 90% of it. |
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alstorer
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Posted: 10 Sep 13 at 8:31am |
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chutes do need a higher bow- and as alluded to, not all chutes are equal. They function better if the mouth is central, ahead of the forestay. However, that leads to a trade off, as it moves the jib tack up and/or back. Offset chutes mean there's a "windward" and "leeward" hoist or drop side- and unlike a bag this is fixed, so if you've got an RO who's "spicing things up" with a starboard hand course you're a little screwed over.
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sawman
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Posted: 12 Sep 13 at 7:47pm |
Cheers, Neal - I will have a closer look at your system when next we meet - I wont be getting to any more events this year.
 But have already booked accommodation for next years nat's  |
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