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    Posted: 09 Sep 13 at 6:49pm
Why this radial bashing in favour of your personal choice for an Olympic slot? The Olympic slot does not always benefit a class or its existing owners. 

Be careful what you wish for ...
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Originally posted by Daniel Holman

Originally posted by Lukepiewalker

And if a girl of 5' 4" and 56kg was winning, a 6' 1" girl weighing 56kg would overtake her...


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For a fit individual 65kg is a good allround weight for a laser radial, which I would venture is light for an adult European female.


No, you'd get hammered.  You need to add 5 KG to that at least.
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Originally posted by yellowwelly

Originally posted by i tick

I just want it to be fair and sensible.

it is..... the only other olympic class with as low a cost of entry is the RS:X.   Cost of entry was the primary reason ISAF dumped the Europe in favour of the arguably 'lesser boat' that is the Radial.

Taller people have some advantage in some sports, shorter people in others.  Same with weight.  We are lucky in that there are plenty of sailing medals enabling such a broad spectrum of body types to excel at this high level of competition.  

Weights and Heights for London 2012 top three, hardly 'Amazonian' compared to their fellow Olympians in netball, volleyball, Judo, long jump, high jump...




Anyway, back to some misogyny.... on the above: shag, marry, avoid?
  

Their scales were broken, I simply don't believe those weights.  I've stood next to most of those girls and they're bigger than me.  I'm 72 Kg.


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Originally posted by L123456

Why this radial bashing in favour of your personal choice for an Olympic slot? The Olympic slot does not always benefit a class or its existing owners. 

Be careful what you wish for ...


Indeed.
If we are really concerned that certain weight/gender groups are not well catered for at a high level, the route to addressing that is probably ISAF rather than IOC.
But between Tera, Topper, 4.7, Radial, Europe isn't there a reasonable range of classes offering most sizes and ages of female a high level of international competition? Classes where if you win a nationals or better still european event, you deserve some serious respect.
( I suspect for Oz, the byte would be in that list?)

Or is there a huge pool of talent forced into 2 person boats because they have no singlehander offering enough competition?

It's the same for everyone, if you want to sail against the best people, (and you can use your own def'n of 'best') you have to bear that in mind when you choose a class. They aren't going to come to you.
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Posts: 392 		Post Options Post Options   Quote iitick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Sep 13 at 7:04am
Originally posted by Daniel Holman

I'm just jealous you had an original series 1 range rover. Design classic. Look so cool and leggy and rangy compared to today's more vulgar versions. Only just being valued as a classic in its own right.


It was a 1970 car, very early. Masai Red with cream plastic seats and a 'wash through' interior. Very pretty I agree. It would have looked good towing a Contender. However at about 12 mpg and no power steering it did not last long. Luckily Rover realised the errors in the original design and rectified them.......unlike some boat manufacturers.
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Bustinben just opened the argument again?
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Nope- he's just not old enough to know that breasts and a good ass don't weigh as much as muscle, nor do women's internal organs weigh as much as mens, therefore despite appearing to have the same v'olume' as a small man or pubescent boy, women tend to weigh less then men.

Failing that, the BBC are in cohorts with the IOC to deliberately misrepresent the competitive weight band of the Laser Radial and it's all a conspiracy masterminded by that Iranian with his agressive tones in email dialogues.
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Originally posted by yellowwelly

Nope- he's just not old enough to know that breasts and a good ass don't weigh as much as muscle, nor do women's internal organs weigh as much as mens, therefore despite appearing to have the same v'olume' as a small man or pubescent boy, women tend to weigh less then men.

Failing that, the BBC are in cohorts with the IOC to deliberately misrepresent the competitive weight band of the Laser Radial and it's all a conspiracy masterminded by that Iranian with his agressive tones in email dialogues.

Or, I do, and I've factored that in to my judgement.   Who do you think think knows what the competitive weight for a radial is, current competitive radial sailors or you?

You going to tell me this chap is 65 kilos?


Are you also going to tell me he didn't win:
A worlds where half the races were abandoned due to no wind.
A worlds where all the races were sailed in 20 knots +

Obviously I don't know what I'm talking about, so everyone should listen to yellowwelly, the old man who sails a solo and throws insults round on web forums to boost his self esteem.  Clap








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The man in that link should be ashamed to be in a radial! And as for that tiller extension...
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Originally posted by bustinben

Who do you think think knows what the competitive weight for a radial is, current competitive radial sailors or you

Male or female Radial sailors? I'm quite sure the best weight will be different. Its very counter intuitive, but neverless the case. Its because, in a weight sensitive boat siled without handicaps, there are considerable advantages in being at the mean weight for the fleet, not the weight that might make for the lowest total finish times.
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