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    Posted: 30 Aug 13 at 9:52am
Originally posted by gbr940

seems that Cherub sailors have FAR too much money to burn if they are gonna be putting foiling foils on...let's face it, the foils are gonna cost 3 times the amount of most the boats!

What a daft comment to make.

Personally, I think it would be an excellent route for the class to take if it works well. The moth has done so well since going this route, and the Cherub is the best 2 man boat I can think of for it, and the 2005 rules hulls and rigs are already the right sort of shape for it, so no major obsolescence problems with the current fleet.

A big "well done" from me.
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Originally posted by gbr940

seems that Cherub sailors have FAR too much money to burn if they are gonna be putting foiling foils on...let's face it, the foils are gonna cost 3 times the amount of most the boats!

That's a fairly generalised statement to be honest.  I'd imagine it would be relatively cheaper to commission a cherub hull from a professional builder, and then source some development foils from Maguire or Full Force than it would to buy a fully tricked 14, or Merlin Rocket.

Without people innovating in development classes we wouldn't have access to some of the boats we sail today.  That scaled down 18 foot skiff in your signature is a prime example. 
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Originally posted by gbr940

seems that Cherub sailors have FAR too much money to burn if they are gonna be putting foiling foils on...let's face it, the foils are gonna cost 3 times the amount of most the boats!


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seems that Cherub sailors have FAR too much money to burn if they are gonna be putting foiling foils on...let's face it, the foils are gonna cost 3 times the amount of most the boats!
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Well if there is any class that ought to be trying to foil, surely that's a development class!  Looks fun to me.

Meanhwile, there was supposed to be a Cherub event at Carsington on September 8th.  You asked if you could come and we booked you in to join the annual Charity Regatta.  But there's nothing on the Cherub website.  Anyone planning to come?
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Originally posted by roadrunner

The key question for me is whether a foiling boat is a joy to sail.

This is the success of the Moth. The whole package works beautifully on the foils and is a pleasure to sail.

The foiling Cherub would need to move from "technically feasible" to being "a much better boat".
No small challenge.

I agree- but I don't think it was a straight out of the tin thing for the moths.  It took years and years of amateur and professional time to get the sort of flying performance we see from the latest moths.

This is first step in a development towards a viable two man foiler- I personally enjoyed watching that video for what it is, and what it could offer sailors down the line.  Will it kill the class.... n'ah, too much passion in the cherub fleet for that, they just might need a couple of new category prizes donated by someone like Harken at some point.  


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And I think at the moment the trust is more about semi-foiling to reduce wetted surface. Rather than full foiling.

There was some chat on the forum about changing the spirit of the class and if adopted being the most significant rule change ever. Errr.... the most significant rule change ever is the 2005 rules change that effectively saved the class. And has taken the class from strength to strength. But at the same time really left the Spirt of Cherub behind. I don't see foiling damaging ( other than the Chew SC situation ) for the class. I see it as a very big plus.
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Originally posted by yellowwelly

yes, it's good for the class... it could become the two person Moth and I'm sure the attitude of the guys in the class would ensure they spread the love into the older category boats when it comes to prizes at nationals etc.  
It didn't seem to have a positive impact when the R Class went foiling...


not sure that's quite true Tom.
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The key question for me is whether a foiling boat is a joy to sail.

This is the success of the Moth. The whole package works beautifully on the foils and is a pleasure to sail.

The foiling Cherub would need to move from "technically feasible" to being "a much better boat".
No small challenge.
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The Moths seemed to show that the older boats drop out very quickly once foiling becomes significantly faster. When the class was still debating foils, there were claims that the sub-classes for seahuggers and scows would remain strong. That certainly hasn't happened.

Of course the Moth class has since done very well in two countries, but until Bladerider came in and blew a few million of other people's money on doing a brilliant marketing job that really kicked the class along, some of those with an excellent viewpoint and foiling experience were concerned that foils could hurt the class. Whether the class' growth is still resting on investor's hopes is something that good sources give contradictory information about, but the chances for a two-person foiler kicking on do look slim.






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