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    Posted: 05 Jul 13 at 6:40pm
Originally posted by yellowwelly

yep my wife thinks they all look the same too...even the lilac one looks the same as that damned out of class cherub, apart from the lilac of course.
 
Whereas my wife's different - at Garda a few years back she said, I can see the RS300's sexy, what's that fast looking one? (RS800), and that modern one? (RS400), and that one that looks like a fishing boat? (RS200).  LOL
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Originally posted by yellowwelly

yep my wife thinks they all look the same too...even the lilac one looks the same as that damned out of class cherub, apart from the lilac of course.
 
Whereas my wife's different - at Garda a few years back she said, I can see the RS300's sexy, what's that fast looking one? (RS800), and that modern one? (RS400), and that one that looks like a fishing boat? (RS200).  LOL


Having sailed one now for the last 3 months I'm inclined to agree with you. Trying to love it or even like it.....it's not doing it for me yet.
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Keep with it Transient- they're nice little boats (unless something pretty sexy in your past no ruins it for you with the more mundane...)

Steve- I like your wife's style, mine on the other hand wondered why the rescue boat bloke didn't rescue her when we capsized our 'fishing boat' on its fifth outing. I explained that capsizes can just kind of happen and we need to self rescue. She puked.   It was for sale the following Monday morning.
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Originally posted by hum3

Arbitary maybe, but less arbitary than out the bag! 
(EDIT - this is a SMOD, so you do get a feel for what is about right) 
Not disagreeing with you. You need to be on the water to set it properly.


which is why you send the midget down the foredeck to re-tie it according to conditions.  It would have been great to be able to do this during races, just as it would ahve been great to reset the spreaders without having to stand on the foredeck, or re-set the rake without having to completely undo the shroud.  All those adjustments can be done remotely in other classes (but not in the 470) so surely there must also be a system for the jib luff?
the same, but different...

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Originally posted by winging it

It would have been great to be able to do this during races

Not certain since i was really young at the time but i seem to recall a 12 that used to sail at our club having a tube down the foredeck with a cleat at the back and a block at the front, and some string, probably thin dyneema running down it. It went through the cleat, along the tube, through the block and tied onto the bottom of the jib somewhere. pretty neat system :D
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Jib cunninghams were fashionable during the 60s as I recall... You used to see them on older boats when I started racing.
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Used it on a J24 - made a real difference
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Originally posted by fab100



Well we (sort of) got you there in the end, after how many pages? Tightening or easing the cloth (over the wire) with a jib cunningham indeed moves the draft point in the jib forwards and backwards and surprise, that is what it is for.


No you didn't you're as usual just researching my knowledge base for your next book, do you even sail boats with jibs?

I was not planning another sailing book, no need I thought, but actually, now you mention it, I could do a "how not to succeed in dinghies" based on the grf journey into red herrings, alternative-world physics, blind alleys, missing the point, reinventing wheels and aiming at the wrong target. There is already more than enough material on this forum.

And we can even have a vote on the denouement;
  1. Grf's relentless quest for the holy grail (a sub-20kg all up, stable, fast, easy to sail competitively as a single or double hander, asymmetric that planes dead downwind whatever the wind strength, a hiker that does not require sitting out effort, costs only £29.50 and can be folded up and put in the boot of the car) succeeds, resulting in unit sales of 5 million in the uk alone, creating a revolution in the take up of sailing and sport generally. Oh, and Earl GRF of Shoredump remains undefeated in it, continuing to win gold medals into his 80s.  OR
  2. After 30 years of bankrupting hurt, grf has an epiphany and finally realises he's been barking up the wrong tree all this time and that he could have been loving his sailing just like the rest of us; that the boat is simply a means to an end. The epilogue is, knees knackered from insufficient hiking exercise, our hero racing (and contentedly losing of course) to my friend Lindsay in an Access 2.3
But I think I'd be looking for a big advance before I started writing this one


Edited by fab100 - 06 Jul 13 at 8:24am
Great book for Club Sailors here
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d'ya know what, I struggle with the mainsheet, kicker and outhaul, and if it weren't for windsurfing and downhauling the feck out of my sails, I'd still be calling a cunningham a 'clever pig' and leaving it at that.  I think you're all totally barmy to want yet more fine-tuning tweaking lines, especially on that little rag at the front that serves to keep Doris amused.

But, you know there's something else, isn't this sport great that it provides such diverse needs and wants with viable options to keep us all amused?   Maybe that's the issue with dinghy popularity?  In world that needs its entertainment spoon-fed down a sponsored message on its Facebook newsfeed, then is it no surprise that a sport which requires a fair amount of trial and error, research, time, patience and broad shoulders when we screw up doesn't appeal to 'genpop'.  

The more I think about it, the more I think we're better off without the plebs (and I use that in a 21st century non-class way- there are plenty of fairly unimaginative posh people out there too... I see them queuing to get into Holister in the Bull Ring when bad fate takes me to central Birmingham once in a blue moon).   So roll on exclusive and inaccessible.  Let's keep dinghy sailing technical to a level.  But let's not be too cliquey between ourselves, rather let's embrace our diversity and celebrate the fact that our sport is something you do, not something you watch or 'follow' through social media.  Our 'sporting heroes' are kids we grew up, maybe if you're a little older you or your friends could well have taught them to sail, or run races for them or been on rescue duty at an Open where they learned something which might just make the difference between a medal or not.  Above all, we can meet fellow club sailors to Olympic medalists and AC & Match Race superstars at the Dinghy Show, share stories about the sport we all actually participate in and all without being dumbstruck by their twitter follower status or red top journalism telling us they are paid 100 grand a week to sit on a bench chewing gum.

Gotta love sailing, sod those who don't... their loss.  


Edited by yellowwelly - 06 Jul 13 at 8:30am
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+1 to that James.  I'd add that that will keep sailing, and therefore sailors, a rare group that seeks 'mastery' not quick wins.....in a world that appears to be getting dumber and dumber!
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