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    Posted: 26 Jun 13 at 10:54am
all the gear, no idea....
the same, but different...

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Maybe the mistake is thinking of sailing as one sport. Whilst I might expect a newcomer to athletics to attempt the highjump straight away (though the bar would be lower - should the bar be kept low to stop it putting people off?), I'd not expect them to be shown a pole vault thing and be told "off you go, then". Should pole vault be banned because I can't do it?Should a Hammer thrower be told they have to use a lighter weight because I'm not strong enough to lift it, let alone throw it? There are hundreds of examples like this - why should sailing be different?
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Originally posted by RS400atC


Am I the only person thinking we can live without some of these people in our sport?


Well, the prices you (in a collective reference to the market) are expecting, who else will afford new products in order to feed second hand stuff down to the bottom feeders?
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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by iGRF

would that appeal to the bankers, ad execs and other high flying cash rich wannabes,


That's what leadmines are for...

and RIBS... just wear a feckin' kill chord.
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Originally posted by iGRF

Originally posted by RS400atC


Am I the only person thinking we can live without some of these people in our sport?


Well, the prices you (in a collective reference to the market) are expecting, who else will afford new products in order to feed second hand stuff down to the bottom feeders?

it's a fair point... the cost of a two person racing dinghy is likely to be more than many would spend on a second 'run about' car, and certainly a lot more than the cost of an average foreign holiday.

It's about choices and affordability, and its no surprise that when boat ownership is seen as one of the only viable models of competing on your own terms, that sailing has made itself so exclusive.  

So what are we to do... sail cheap and nasty 3D printed boats?  Build our own again?  No thanks.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Granite Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jun 13 at 1:45pm
Originally posted by iGRF

Originally posted by Old Timer


Why on earth do you think that all areas of the sport should be  to a novice?


Why shouldn't they, give me the name of another sport that makes inaccessibility a feature?

Pro Golfers use the same stuff as Amateurs, Pro Cyclists etc etc. It is precisely because of the inaccessibility factor that is driving the sport to the margins of coffin polishing.

Kitesurfing is a pretty high on the list of 'dare devil' activity yet every weekend hundreds are being taught and they use the gear they are taught on.

It was exactly the reason windsurfing was vanishing until the wide style evolution reversed the trend and delayed the sports total demise.

The Fort William world cup course is pretty inaccessable to a cyclist who has not ridden off road before
In road riding, most clubs would not welcome a novice into the middle of a pack without some instruction and practice first.
In it is quite rare for beginners to be taken down the black run on racing skis.
Mountain Climbing needs more specialist kit for Everest than Mount Snowdon

In dinghy sailing there are plenty of stable easy to sail options as well as the more complex technical ones, there is something for everyone, even very accessable quite fast boats, just think beach cat!




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Post Options Post Options   Quote transient Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jun 13 at 2:30pm
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Originally posted by transient

There's a quite a few cases of verbal abuse from several people on this forum lately, not worth singling out individuals........overall though it makes it a very unpleasant place to visit.


...perhaps the combo of recession and bad weather is pinching a few nerves 

Compared to the "other sailing forum" this place is like a kindergarten ....

It is just banter ...


Oh I see, git, moron, prat all banter, now I understand. What do you guys do when you really want to piss people off. Confused LOL



that aside and with reference to GRFs mention of the new and old market. There doesn't seem to be a better time to buy a pre-loved boat.

47 Ents
21 Furballs
33 GP14s
114 Lasers
30 2Ks
34 Mirrors
30 400s
46 200s
25 fevas

Don't think I've ever seen that many second hand boats up for grabs on Apollo Duck.

http://sailingdinghies.apolloduck.co.uk/listings.phtml?cid=106&sti=24


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Is that a good thing?  The used dinghy market is fairly shocking.  It seems the only sport to me where you can buy a boat for say £3k one year and sell it 2 years later for £3k.  Its not healthy for bringing people into the sport. 

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Originally posted by Granite


Originally posted by iGRF

Originally posted by Old Timer


Why on earth do you think that all areas of the sport should be  to a novice?


Why shouldn't they, give me the name of another sport that makes inaccessibility a feature?

Pro Golfers use the same stuff as Amateurs, Pro Cyclists etc etc. It is precisely because of the inaccessibility factor that is driving the sport to the margins of coffin polishing.

Kitesurfing is a pretty high on the list of 'dare devil' activity yet every weekend hundreds are being taught and they use the gear they are taught on.

It was exactly the reason windsurfing was vanishing until the wide style evolution reversed the trend and delayed the sports total demise.

The Fort William world cup course is pretty inaccessable to a cyclist who has not ridden off road before
In road riding, most clubs would not welcome a novice into the middle of a pack without some instruction and practice first.
In it is quite rare for beginners to be taken down the black run on racing skis.
Mountain Climbing needs more specialist kit for Everest than Mount Snowdon
In dinghy sailing there are plenty of stable easy to sail options as well as the more complex technical ones, there is something for everyone, even very accessable quite fast boats, just think beach cat!


Sorry you can't use that excuse, I could put you on a downhill bike and you could ride it, you could probably even ride it down the Fort William course, as could you like I just have, purchased a full race spec super light road bike and ride that, no you wouldn't have a prayer against the top guys, but the difference is you can at least enjoy the sensation.

Now, go and pick up a foiler and try your hand, even with instruction, or an MPS in anything other than very light stuff (I've won races in an MPS, but the moment the conditions turned to the point it might be fun to race it quickly became un manageable) Do I have to point you to Olympians and 49ers in China? When was the last time you saw that level of carnage at that level of competition? Even really rainy F1 or Muddy Downhill events do not witness the wholesale slaughter of just about everyone competing.

Is my point.
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Originally posted by transient


Originally posted by L123456


Originally posted by transient


There's a quite a few cases of verbal abuse from several people on this forum lately, not worth singling out individuals........overall though it makes it a very unpleasant place to visit.
...perhaps the combo of recession and bad weather is pinching a few nerves 


Compared to the "other sailing forum" this place is like a kindergarten ....
It is just banter ...

Oh I see, git, moron, prat all banter, now I understand. What do you guys do when you really want to piss people off. Confused LOLthat aside and with reference to GRFs mention of the new and old market. There doesn't seem to be a better time to buy a pre-loved boat.47 Ents21 Furballs
33 GP14s114 Lasers
30 2Ks34 Mirrors30 400s
46 200s25 fevasDon't think I've ever seen that many second hand boats up for grabs on Apollo Duck.http://sailingdinghies.apolloduck.co.uk/listings.phtml?cid=106&sti=24


What you do to really piss them/us off? Ignore them totally, they get really angry some of them even get off the computer and put some clothes on.


As to that list of boats, would you seriously recommend half of them to your mate? GP14? Ent? OK in a swallows and amazons sort of world which still has its appeal, but swallows and amazons don't race or attend open meetings then buy our old race boats so we can move on and up, it's a clear sign of a lack of market dynamics, having said that, there's a lot of it about at the moment with all the recessionary pressures. there again build something nice and they will come...
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