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    Posted: 08 Jun 13 at 10:51am
What about a camera on the end of a pole sticking out aft? Purely there for the boat carrying it to be able to look at film after (or put it on here...) but not there to deliberately make port duck further. Legal?
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Towing anything behind the boat would presumably break the propulsion rule?
Although it is a known survival technique in ocean sailing.
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Originally posted by Brass

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What on earth is a twiller and why are you abusing it by calling it lazy?
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Twin tiller extension.
As used on B14's and others.
Some classes not all boats have them, depending on sheet arrangement.
Fr'instance RS800's they are or were an option.
The one you're not using trails out the back of the boat.
You may not expect it to be there, but there it is, deliberately 4ft behind the boat....
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Originally posted by Rupert

What about a camera on the end of a pole sticking out aft? Purely there for the boat carrying it to be able to look at film after (or put it on here...) but not there to deliberately make port duck further. Legal?
 
Case 91 says that a give way boat must keep clear of any part of a right of way boat's equipment even if it is out of its normal position as long as it has been out of its normal position long enough for the equipment to have been seen and avoided.
 
In this case the camera and its support are equipment in normal position.
 
Originally posted by RS400atC

Towing anything behind the boat would presumably break the propulsion rule?
Although it is a known survival technique in ocean sailing.
 
That's a good one.
 
If it came up in a protest hearing I would expect to see some mumbo jumbo about 'normal act of seamanship'.
 
Originally posted by RS400atC

Originally posted by Brass

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What on earth is a twiller and why are you abusing it by calling it lazy?
.....


Twin tiller extension.
As used on B14's and others.
Some classes not all boats have them, depending on sheet arrangement.
Fr'instance RS800's they are or were an option.
The one you're not using trails out the back of the boat.
You may not expect it to be there, but there it is, deliberately 4ft behind the boat....
 
 
Gotcha.
 
Parts of a boat's equipment may have a range of 'normal positions'.
 
I think that's in its normal position.
 
If you propelled or deliberately wiggled it so as to touch a give way boat ... Case 73  you break rule 14 and rule 2.
 
Unless you're in the UK and subject to RYA Appeal 2004/3:

A right-of-way boat (or one entitled to room or markroom) that deliberately breaks rule 14 by allowing contact to occur does not break rule 2 if damage or injury was not caused. The exoneration under rule 14( b ) is immediate and automatic.



Edited by Brass - 09 Jun 13 at 3:45am
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