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    Posted: 28 May 13 at 4:25pm
Originally posted by fab100

Originally posted by 2547

 
So at 85kgs (or below) you could be all rigged and ready to go with your 10.2 then Fred turns up to sail his 100 and so you then have to switch to the 8.4?
I repeat. There are no other 100s at my club. 
I understood that, my question was hypothetical to understand the rule rather than to question your personal circumstances.

If there were another then that would reduce your freedom of choice, correct?
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as it stands, if the rule goes thru as is, correct.

Which means you'd likely miss the start - rig swapping is not like the laser. Undo shrouds, remove boom, extract mast, take out stump and remove mast step fitting and retape step fitting into lower mast, move kite halyard block and hounds up a d-bracket, unscrew spreader ends and refit for 8.4 shroud position, reinsert mast checking you've not wrapped the kite halyard around it, reattach boom without tangling vang and cunningham lines, repin shrouds, discover kite sheets are now inside shrouds so redo them, move main halyard tail hook. What have I missed? Something probably. Like the other mainsail is at home in the garage.

Miss start.

Discover something else is not rigged right either.

Which is why swapping is not a thing you do lightly. At my club, the 10.2 is a nicer sail and (broadly) manageable. nevertheless I'd be better of with the 8.4 some days, but swapping us too much of a PITA. Elsewhere, my using the 10.2 is a big risk if the wind rises into double figures of knots


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I think that this problem has rumbled on for more than the last 5 pages!  I seem to remember picking up on it about 180 pages ago (when James was still sailing a 100)  and I questioned where the class was going.  I.e. 2 classes or in fact you should just bin off the separation and have the ability to pick you sail on the day and sail with it.  I was shouted down (prior to my involvement with the D1) that it would be two classes.  Unfortunately despite people saying otherwise it’s nearly impossible to tell the difference between the two rigs.  That’s not speculation its FACT.  Looking at two 100's from the shore with different rigs is like one of the those pictures when you were a kid...Spot the difference.  For me it’s clear what the class should do.  Wither split the fleet and the boats are called Rs110, Rs108  and now RS107 each class has their own start, PY etc. etc. like the Lasers fragmenting what it still a relatively small class.  Or in fact they should just bin off the separate fleet thing and you all pick your weapons on the day Or finally design a new sail - A one size fits all type thing and put the rest down to experience.  Although I suspect this won’t work as it would cost RS/The Class owners a fortune! 

The whole thing is so complicated and seems to lack any direction.  I just hope you all sort it out for yourselves, believe it (or not as I guess you all think I want you to fail) I hope the message becomes clear for any potential newcomers or existing class members as I enjoy racing the 100's and the more single handed hiking kite boats there are the more it helps promote the D1 in a perverse kind of way?!

 


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How have you factored the alternate (smaller) sail into the D1 rules Ruscoe? Perhaps we can learn something...
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Originally posted by fab100

as it stands, if the rule goes thru as is, correct.

... but swapping is too much of a PITA. 

Right ... that is all I was asking. Seems a nightmare that your days sailing could be scuppered by another turning up. 

Not often you are hoping no-one else turns out to sail in your class.

Originally posted by Ruscoe

The whole thing is so complicated and seems to lack any direction.  I just hope you all sort it out for yourselves .... 


Indeed ... I assume the proposal will be voted down and a revised one appears that includes the 7.4 and avoides the difficulty highlighted.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Ruscoe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 May 13 at 6:10pm
Clive,
Its exactly as i said, Its a D-One, so it sails with the other D-Ones and uses the same PY as a D-One.  The difference between our two sails is reasonably large so we don't get the cross over like you guys get between the 8.4 and 10.2. Having said that we only have 1 small rig in the UK sailed by a Lady yacht-er.  So personally i have not raced against one to give you actual differences in performance.  however I am told the people that sail them are significantly smaller than the full sail yacht-er.  As such the difference in performance is almost negated by the difference of around 30kg in weight.  I guess if and when numbers of small rig sailors increases then their might be another prize at the nationals, but for sure it will be the same start and the same race!  We would also not allow rig swapping during a regatta, same as we would not allow wing position changes.

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I posted several pages ago....
the intention of the rule was clear. I listed them in that post
The rule is being reworded to be less ambiguous
the intention (if not the wording) is going through as vast majority in favour so far.
Sensible suggestion appears to scrap the 86kg bit, and put it in UK SI's at the very few events it would be relevant for. That would avoid having a rule that specifically "only applied to Class events", as if there are people on this forum that simply cannot get their head around that, then maybe there are others.
Other countries could follow suit if they want and national association approves.

And again.....and again....there is no intention of restricting what someone uses at club level, so yes, anybody can use anything at their club, even Clive in his Fab100. So long, of course, as the correct hcaps are used. 







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Hi Nick

That sounds a good suggestion- it's not that people can't get their head around it, it's just that it seems to be a case of 'stricter rules for our events (to make it [allegedly] fairer) that then don't apply for club racing (because it's not worthy enough). I appreciate that is not the intention, however that will be the reception from the outside- as exemplified here.

Good luck with it, glad the fleet believe they are 'ready' to split, even if personally it seems a little early and less 'more the merrier'.

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The thing is clubs cannot change class rules and there is a specific requirement in the RRS for the sailor to comply with class rules at all time. So surely anything you do not want enforced at club level, class or handicap racing, should not be in the class rules. As soon as its in the class rules it may be enforced, and its no good saying Fred is a petty nitpicker if he protests to enforce the rules that according to RRS he has a responsibility to enforce.

I'm sure you don't need me to tell you it would be wise to run all this past the rule authorities before putting a rule change together. After all as soon as you become a National or International class you are no longer sole masters of your own destiny rules wise, RYA and ISAF respectively have a power of veto.

If you want changes of eligibility for class events then surely they belong in SIs, just like mark bashing.
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