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pondmonkey ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Aug 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2202 |
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no agenda... just a prediction that this'll be the last year for the 10.2 on the circuit. A shame, as originally it could have been the boat that transcended the 'how much you weigh' b**locks as best as anything could given the laws of physics. But the class is splitting if this goes ahead, read the rule change proposal. It says so quite clearly in that. Proposal: Supplement/replace paragraph C.1.2 - “The RS100 may be raced with either 8.4 or 10.2 sails” - with text below. C.1.2 (i) All Championships for the RS100 dinghy are raced as 2 classes: The RS100 8.4 class, and RS100 10.2 class. C.1.2 (ii) In all Championships, where the two classes are started together, a boat’s score for a race is that achieved only against sailors in the same class. C.1.2 (iii) All racing below championship level, where the 2 classes start together, may additionally organise results as one fleet and one set of results, so long as results are calculated using a locally recognised handicapping scheme and only sailors weighing in excess of 86kgs may use the mast extension and 10.2 sail. C.1.2 (iv) A sailor who swaps rigs during a regatta, or series of races or regattas, shall rank as a new starter / entry for that regatta or series. A simple approach, much like the 12s or 18 ft skiffs would seem to have worked.... considering the agenda here was to appeal to multiple demographics. (I would stand by the best situation would have been only one rig in the first place... but that soon went out the window and long before any of us took possession, so multiple rigs hardly came via the back door.) I don't notice anyone telling Sonata sailors when they MUST change to the number 2 genoa because they are too light for the number 1 sail now. Or when was the last time that the Sigma 33 sailors sailing on the storm jib need to have their results separated from the rest of the fleet.... Rules, rules, rules and more rules... just what sailing needs.
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Ruscoe ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 12 Jan 10 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1514 |
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What a load of nonsense! what possible agenda would anyone have? So i can only concluide you are aiming that at me? If so re read my previous posts. If not then please clarify? Whatever the 100 fleet decide is entirely up to them. It has no effect on what happens in my fleet. We are not in any way interested in what does or doesn't happen in the 100 fleet. Its almost as ridiculous as saying the Merlins are bothered by rule changes in the 400 fleet, or the Musto's by the 700. The D1 is growing nicely and organically, we enjoy racing 100's as much as we enjoy racing other single handed assy classes. However from the posts on the 100 forum one thing is clear though that something needs to be done, if not then why would the class be looking at a rule change?
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pondmonkey ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Aug 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2202 |
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From the 26th FEB 2010....
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pondmonkey ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Aug 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2202 |
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'GUEST' comments from someone I truly respect- not only for their ability in sailing, but their understanding of developing a really, really good class to feel part of....
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blaze720 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Sep 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1635 |
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Hi Ruscoe
No problem ... ! Carbon was always on the cards in the long term and suits the boat .. as it does on just about every other boat. But is/was a tough decision for the class - same as for everyone. Halo has a minority following to date (approx 15% of Blazes have this rig as well now) as an alternative to regular mainstream 10.4m Blaze racing. It is approximately 11.5m so for most will be a bit of a challenge. You do not need to be 95+kg but it sure helps .. and it is really for the larger guys out there. They all race Blazes but enjoy a bit of an alternative 'thrash' from time to time at least at club level. In time there will no doubt be demand for a 'heavies' championship and we will support them. The thing about the Halo sail is if you are right for it you can plane upwind for much of the time. I'm just over 80kg and have a laugh with it and it is easy enough to get around with Halo in almost anything but .. but race competitively in stronger winds ? I'll stick to the Blaze's 10.4m. Wednesday evening pursuits though ? Hell yes - a lot of fun ! Come and try in either mode some time .. you are very welcome. Mike L. |
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Ruscoe ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 12 Jan 10 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1514 |
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I have tried a Blaze Mike. Several times, nice enough boat, but not for me. Not sure a Halo would float my boat, so to speak either.
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getafix ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Mar 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2143 |
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Row dear chap, not I, unless you don't think this is provocative, you might remember, you posted it yesterday at 2.21, it's on page 180 of this thread... "I seem to remember a few years ago Mike being very vocal about not want ing to split what they had by introducing a kite. So they launched that massively succesful new Halo class....Now with Carbon masts the class is looking more fragmented. Lets resurect the Blaze kite thread as well, forum has been to quite lately." .. I merely offered an opinion that others were stirring (Jimbo has made lavish use of the word "split" in his recent posts) where there really wasn't that much controversy in the first place, if any at all, it's a forum, as long as it's polite, what's wrong with expressing a view or two, or three come to that?
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Ruscoe ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 12 Jan 10 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1514 |
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You stated people had other agendas, im not sure anyone does. Not sure where in my tongue in cheek post which may i add links off my other post has any kind of agenda? Nothing wrong with airing any thoughts you have on a matter, anyones opinion is valid as it is just that an opinion!
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pondmonkey ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Aug 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2202 |
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If there's no 'controversy' then we can just assume there's no requirement to tighten up the wording, nor any requirement to seek a re-draft before publishing it? 'Controversy' is strong word of course, and you won't find me saying that in my recent posts. I've just said the fleets will split. Which they will, if you read the wording of the proposed change.
I guess the truth is the class majority on 8.4s has spoken- they want the 8.4 fleet to be one fleet on its own, hence the proposal. If the fatties don't move across, so what... better to have a race of 30 on the 8.4 rig than 40 in the 'RS100' fleet. That's their decision of course, one facilitated by a lack of control over these (inevitable) issues from the outset. As for the 7.4 sailors- well they didn't even get a consideration. I guess their arms were too short to be seen at the AGM. God knows what would happen if someone pulled together another rig- maybe a 9 meter 'coastal' rig to bridge the gap???? I don't really care that much, it just seems a shame to look in from the outside and see the class self destruct. They're certainly not growing judging from the entries in the events and effectively cutting the class down to the 8.4 rig will certainly not bolster its image at club level- having its arse handed to it by Lasers around the cans!!!! Let us not forget the amazing positivity there was when this was launched- now it's just another boring class association bogged down with factions rather than growing and embracing new faces, even podgy ones that can hold their beer... This quote pretty much summed up my view at the time too. Times change. That's not controversy, it's just life.
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pondmonkey ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Aug 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2202 |
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that's good to hear... interesting the RS Class Association have published the results without any splits on this event. From an external perspective that looks like 14 guys all racing together... i.e. GOOD Of course, if the racing would be so much better if you weren't racing together and there were what, 10 on 8.4s and a 4 on 10.2... well, it doesn't look so good imho. It's a shame really- the 300 guys trod this path before the 100 and came up with a viable working solution. Seems a dumb-ass move to try and do something different, unless the agenda really is to phase out the 10.2 rig now Paul's left.
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