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RS400atC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 04 Dec 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3011 |
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The Worlds etc are a key part of the business model. It's what sells Lasers.
I don't know about Laser, but you can look at the accounts filed for certain other SMOD makers and see they could fund a worlds fleet out of their balance sheet. OTOH, the charter fees probably get eaten up in salaries to make it happen. You have to lok at the whole business.
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Well, I'm out of date then - when I bought my last set of Firefly sails, I considered new ones for the Mirror. I thing I went and looked at the P&B website, and they were over £100 more, even before the Hyde autumn discount. |
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Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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P&B Mirror main and jib £679 (which won the 2012 nats)
Firefly main and jib £558.67 Not getting at Mirrors, just at the idea that competition reduces price. |
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Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
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SoggyBadger ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 26 Oct 10 Location: The Wild Wood Online Status: Offline Posts: 552 |
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Well Trident won 11 out of the last 12 Mirror nats so they can't be that tatty... And also remember who it was that won last year. Maybe you should also factor in that P&B build their sails in this country (thus providing employment and keeping your taxes down) whereas Hyde sails are made in the Far East (Cebu, Philippines). |
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Trident are obviously keeping prices down, so good guys, or know that their main competitor is the Feva, not other Mirror sail makers.
However, I'm not trying to say that the extra cost of the sails where there is open sailmaking is a rip off - quite the opposite might be true, with the cost of continuous development to stay ahead of the rest of the fleet, the reduced economies of scale, the increased labour costs where small quantities are make in the UK rather than batches of identical sails in the far east. Currently, the Laser appears to have the worst of both worlds - no sailmaker choice and yet no way of the CA making a direct deal with a sailmaker on behalf of the members. |
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Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
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pondmonkey ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Aug 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2202 |
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but it reduces prices for those who want it and are prepared to compromise. I'm sure I could get a much cheaper sail - in dacron, by sourcing from a smaller loft. It might not be what the guys at the front of the national fleet are using (although they tend to get there top of the range unit 'very cheap' too
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Caveman ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 17 Sep 11 Location: Kent Online Status: Offline Posts: 64 |
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I can see that having one supplier can work. It has the benefit of scale and the price should be very reasonable. BUT for that to work effectively, class members must be able to call for the ending of the supply contract should they become unhappy with prices, availability of supply, quality or service.
Agree with pondmonkey. My results with a laminate sail are much the same as with my cheaper and older dacron sail. Multiple suppliers may mean that prices are a little bit higher but the competition helps promote quality and keeps prices reasonable. At our club, we found that a bulk order for sails (say five or more sets) secured a very substantial discount from a top sailmaker's normal prices. Just as important, companies like P&B, HD, Speed and many other sail lofts / chandlers do provide great service and after sales support.
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blueboy ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 27 Aug 10 Online Status: Offline Posts: 512 |
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I know a number of people who could raise $350K from banks on a handshake. You'd be surprised. It helps, in the UK anyway, if you went to the "right" school. Not that I'm bitter. |
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SoggyBadger ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 26 Oct 10 Location: The Wild Wood Online Status: Offline Posts: 552 |
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Economy of scale only applies in sailmaking to the ability to bulk buy materials and maybe a slightly improved cloth usage. In terms of cutting and assembly it makes no real difference.
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pondmonkey ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Aug 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2202 |
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with a global business empire including the Maclaren buggy market, I'd be surprised if the group would need to go to a bank to raise 350AUS$
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