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    Posted: 09 Mar 13 at 5:46pm
Originally posted by RS400atC

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Sorry, still don't see how you can get redress for running aground. 

I think there has been the odd case where a race team has failed to shorten a race before the tide went out, causing some boats not to finish!

Fair enough. But how when just a couple of boats have grounded?
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If this goes ahead in racing it will strike fear into those of us in the training section of the sport.

Matt is dead right in what he says about the paper trail being essential - that's how we cover our backs right now, but will that be enough if the ambulance chasers gain a foothold? 


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If this goes ahead in racing it will strike fear into those of us in the training section of the sport.

If it really took hold I think small volunteer run club training centres would have to pack up and go home. 

We've already had to pass on OnBoard scheme where the insurance costs alone would have cost more than we could possibly have charged.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote RS400atC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Mar 13 at 9:11pm
Totally agree that we don't want clubs getting sued all over the place.
But on the other hand we want race organisers to do a proper job and not take on things they cannot handle.
That can mean club committees as much as the people on the water on the day.
I've been to a few events where I've felt the organisers need a bit of a wake up call.
I've been involved in running one or two as one of the people on the water, thinking the club is getting away with it through luck rather than planning.

Events where boats get damaged do nobody any favours, at best it pushes up everybody's insurance costs in the class.
There are not many hi-tech sports where you can fully insure your gear against racing risks, we should take care of that lucky position.

I don't know if this event was one where the organisers need a poke with a sharp stick (and frankly I don't want to know), but I think it's the case for some events. Event organisers are taking proper money off people, and need to do a proper job. 90% do. 50% go above and beyond that. A few fall well short IMHO.

Likewise some events are spoiled by  @%&'s in borrowed boats.
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Originally posted by Caveman

 I have never heard of 3rd party insurance for a boat. Only someone sailing a wreck would have it. 

 Surely the action for the club (or any other party open to a similar type of claim) is well established and straight forward? Record the details of the incident, the parties involved, any witnesses, diagrams, weather etc etc. Contact the club's insurance company to advise them of the potential claim. Then leave the insurance company to deal with the matter - particularly if there is a potential dispute. 

I suspect that, in a case like this, a club's insurer would want clarification about the incident and the insurance cover of the other party. Insurance companies just hate being turned over (capsized).  


I've had third-party only on my dinghies, and still do with the yacht as it's 40 years old and timber. My boats could be called wrecks, but I've never had anything worth insuring (ie Laser spars aren't worth the excess IIRC) break in 30 years of sailing.

I used to work in insurance and can only agree with the advice to take down the details - all the details as no one knows what could be crucial - and notify the insurer. 


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The insurance I have only seems to be a few quid more fully comp than 3rd party. Given the possible 3rd party costs, it seems logical.
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Some people, in some boats, can only get third party affordably.
If you have a bad claims record, you may find the excess is such that you are effectively third party only.
If you can repair your boat with secondhand parts, it may make sense.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote rogerd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Mar 13 at 9:29am
I used to insure my boats third party as I would be the one repairing them. However the difference in premium is now so small and with two classic wooden masts,which are beyond my skills to repair I reckon the extra few quid for comprehensive is worth it.
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Originally posted by RS400atC

Event organisers are taking proper money off people. 

No they don't. Dinghy events charge peanuts. It's a complete bargain as most of the "staff" are volunteers. 

If the culture changes to a pro set up to protect against legal action expect to pay over £100 per day. 

This case could have serious implications for our sport as it is hard enough to find volunteers now, imagine what it will be like if people think there is a risk of getting sued. 


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Exactly 2547. Get a grip, love it when you get right and suck it up when you get wrong.
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