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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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Just don't turn up at the FOM in it, or you will be forced to wear a Sombrero and Bandoleers..
![]() I lifted two of them out of the lake yesterday, one made of wood, weighed a ton, the other plastic, was light as anything, a true one design class, both sharing that wonderful new 1200 handicap, there must have been twenty kilos difference between them. ![]() Edited by iGRF - 18 Mar 13 at 11:54am |
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Well, in the end I went for a Miracle. The main reason being it looked comfier and more secure for a child crew. It is a GRP hull so won't be the quickest, but that's not important as we won't be using the kite for a while yet anyway.
Thanks for everyone's input and apologies if i didn't get the boat you recommended! |
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Thanks Russ, I missed your reply yesterday. Hoping to buy in the next week or two, but whatever it is you are on if you want a race at the FOM!
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ifoxwell ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Jan 06 Location: Hoo Online Status: Offline Posts: 669 |
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Cant say ive sailed them back to back to make any direct comparisons but neither are what I would call tippy. Ian |
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Ruscoe ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 12 Jan 10 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1514 |
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Peaky, Some graduates have crew bench's dependant on builder. My 7 year old sails with me and its such a rewarding boat. It handles fantastically. I thought about a Miracle, but decided the kite was too much and a dangly pole on the jib more than made up for the lack of coloured sail. If you are in no rush you are more than welcome to have a go in my grad once its back from the repair yard. It would be fantastic if you bought a Grad as that would be 3 West country Grads sailed by father/Child combo's from this Forum. Perhaps we could even have our own prixe at this years FOM?
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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Bloody Miracles, had one up my backside yesterday, came bloody close to taking me upwind, sailed by a couple of the local hotshots, I had to sheet in a bit further, if it hadn't been for a lucky gust down wind they might have even had me over the actual water..
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getafix ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Mar 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2143 |
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Have you considered a Comet Duo, well made, very stable and comfortable. Miracle good too. Enterprise worth considering also. Ent and Comet will have higher booms than the Miracle. 2000 also has high boom. |
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Thanks for all the advice. I'm not bothered about a kite but quite like the armchair that the crew has on the Miracle, it looks comfy! I thought that the Grad looks a tad more tippy and with a larger jib, making it possibly more suitable for slightly larger crews, but that doesn't sound to be the case Ian?
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ifoxwell ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Jan 06 Location: Hoo Online Status: Offline Posts: 669 |
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We have owned both over the years, although thats one Miracle to two, soon to be three Grads which I guess already tells you what I think.
But I would describe the differences as one is lighter and has a kite. The other is heavier, generally feels more solid and secure and is much more refined in the way in which it slices through the water. Like an icon is more refined than say an Ent. If you like the idea of a kite then get the Miracle other wise buy a Grad they are very rewarding little boats Ian |
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Rockhopper ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Nov 07 Location: Eastry Online Status: Offline Posts: 642 |
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Depends if you want a kite or not both are very good boats i had a miracle with with my eldest one great boat good fun but she did not like it.Unlike my youngest who is now the same age as when i tried with the other one and she loves it in the 2000 so it does not really matter what you buy so long as you get to take them out and most of all enjoy it
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Retired now after 35 seasons in a row and time for a rest.
2004 national champ Laser5000 2007,2010,National Champ Rs Vareo |
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