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pondmonkey ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Aug 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2202 |
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I've done it before with other boats, notably the RS100 when the stars aligned once and against all odds I nuked a 300 to the windward mark once, but I found last Sunday that upwind when the boat just 'felt right', I seemed to go through a phase of pointing lower than others, but then started tracking to windward despite the angle I was pointing.
It was devastingly effectively at clawing back a 20 boat length gap after missing the start, I'd just like to know how to do that on demand, rather than rely on some celestial passing. Any ideas? |
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tgruitt ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 Dec 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2479 |
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I thought that is how you are supposed to point well? That's what I've always done, drive off hard and get the boat up to speed and will keep nice and high. |
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Needs to sail more...
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getafix ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Mar 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2143 |
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A long time sailing friend and nemesis used to talk about 'making the foils work' ... it took me some time to work out what the heck was being referred to, but yes, if you focus you can do it and what really struck me was the wind range it works across, it's not just for when it's breezy
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Oatsandbeans ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 19 Sep 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 382 |
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I am a little bit suspiciuos of some wonderful effect where the foils all of a sudden start to generate extra lift and dramatically improve the Vmg. I suspect that when incidences occur where the boat suddenly goes into warp speed and sails up and around the competition the effect probably lies in the sail setting. Sometimes sailors can get end up " parked-up" on the race course with their sails stalled and little forward speed, and sometimes as one does this the boats close by endup in the same state as they try to copy the angles and sheeting of the first boat. If you then come along with all your sails set correctly and good flow on the foils you can sail up to and around the poor bunch and off into the distance.
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rb_stretch ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 23 Aug 10 Online Status: Offline Posts: 742 |
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The foil effect was even more exaggerated in windsurfers particularly in the period late 80s to mid 90s when fins were rarely above 35cm long. I reckon you probably needed well over 10knots of boat speed before you could even consider going upwind.
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maxibuddah ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Mar 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1760 |
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According the Cockerell bloke its to so with heeling slightly to windward while pointing about right and at a certain boat speed with a certain foil and Hull shape then the boat will track to windward. I did it once in a laser. Unfortunately I didn't realise that was what did it so didn't try again.
I believe the theory is more to do with the shape of the hull through the water but the foil is still important. When heeling to windward the centreline of the boat is the leeward edge baking contact with the water and is straight. The windward side is curved. This produces a flow similar to an aeroplane wing causing lift to the windward side. However it only seems to work with certain foil/Hull shape combinations. |
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pondmonkey ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Aug 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2202 |
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I'm not sure this is the same, I've certainly carved upwind on the fin of windsurf boards many a time, but this felt totally different. It was as if there was a tractor beam (albeit a very lame, but noticeable one) slowly drawing me to windward.... I'd love to know how to do it again. It was relatively windy, no tide, slight reservoir chop but nothing to unsettle the boat. I was relatively powered up and thought I had the boat flattish and nicely trimed fore/aft... upwind speed, in a Solo... hmm, no GPS, but guessing maybe 6 knots through the water???
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Daniel Holman ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 17 Nov 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 997 |
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Ha ha ha ha ha 6 knots upwind in a solo!!! Thats the best laugh I've had in a long time! You'll win every race at the worlds by 3 minutes! |
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pondmonkey ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Aug 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2202 |
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right... I'm off the Bristol channel on a spring ebb armed with my heinously out of class GPS device.... I will spike 6 knots and prove you wrong one day Holman!
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G.R.F. ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 10 Aug 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4028 |
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I bet it did more than 6 knots upwind on that back of that low loader, where you should have left it...
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