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    Posted: 01 Feb 13 at 3:35pm
Originally posted by Finntastic



Graeme I think you will find that a modern Finn is has far more modern tech than the boat you sail.


Hmm let me think.

1) Modern Hi aspect full batten sail er no
2) Naca Section main foil er no
3) Carbon fully rotating mast er no
4) Aerofoiled extra comfort extending wings er no
5) Performance planing hull capable of 20 knots er no
6) Charismatic helm with added charm and down to weight er definitely not.

Sorry, not a chance.

Now you just have to nip out to the garage, find where your boy hid the T foil after the race, then come back and be nice to poor Radixon, oh and have the piss taken for the rest of all time..
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Feb 13 at 4:03pm
GRF, aren't you in the process of scrapping the Hi Aspect fully battened sail for a soft one?

and 3) - the Finn mast is far more hitec.

5) Good to see forum speeds are alive and well.

However, it was designed in 1949, so the hull shape might not be totally current!

Mind, for me, this is a plus point, of course.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Feb 13 at 4:12pm
Cost of two cardboard to cut two fake fins from - £1.50p
Cost of sellotape to stick them on rudder while launching - 75p

Value of watching ensuing thread from hell develop...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Feb 13 at 4:15pm
Hi Graham
Try engineered hull with 100s of hours of computer input to insure structure is stiff and light but bendy in the correct places.  The hull shape is fully optimised with localised reinforcement by means of amide fibres and carbon where permited, moulded with epoxy in ceramic moulds which are fullyfared. The hulls are also vacuum bagged and autoclaved. 
 Likewise All Carbon Unstayed Rotating Wing mast to NASA section designed and taylored to suit the weight of the sailor, sails developed to suit mast and sailors weight,(Masts very expensive £2500 or more). Sails also state of the art materials and construction ( £900 or more) yes expensive but fast and good quality. Nice padded seats (not wings to trip you up), Carbon Nasa section rudders (no wings) and  carbon steering sticks. Boat is only marginally slower than an EPS so nearly has your exaggerated 20 knots plus capability. The boat is expensive but lasts a long time. Ben used the same boat in three Olympics.
 
A boat sailed throught out the world, with new countries sailing them and expanding fleets. Some of the greatest dinghy and America's Cup sailors are ex- Finn Sailors. I've not heard of anybody that good sailing an EPS except yourself of course. An Olympic class which requires strength, fitness, stamina and intelligence to sail at the highest levels, but can be sailed to a high standard by club sailors with experience.
 
True it as boat designed for big people and big people sail them. I felt like you do about a Finn having previously sailed fast cats and dinghys. However I was converted by actually sailing one and finding what a rewarding experience it is, it handles beautifully and is very sensitive to any adjustments made responding instantly. A very technical boat to tune offering hours of fun in that direction.
Anyway all in all it's a personal view and I'm not going to get involved with a my cars better than your cars arguement each to their own. If you are in the west country and so inclined   you are welcome to take out my newer boat. 
I have no interest in the 420 class only a sense of fair play,  have only one child a daughter who is in to carriage driving. If you think dinghy sailings expensive try carriage driving.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Feb 13 at 8:14pm
Rupert is not all there either he sails a wooden sled I saw it and he makes his son do it as well, quite shocking.

As to all that drivel that could be likened to a Readimix lorry full of lipstick emptied over a giant sow, in a similar gesture, to me, it just perfectly illustrates the insanity of anyone sailing those things, or, that thanks to a legion of old buffers, our TV screens and Oympic competition continues to be polluted by a boat that came to pass the year after I diid.

It is an anachronism I think the correct term is, the fact it was fun to watch was nothing to do with the dated hull, the heavy metal, or the pseudo hi tech attempts at cheating in a One Design, another total hypocrisy, 'oh it,s a one design' but only us rich nations can afford to build a one design thats faster and more expensive than anything the third world can muster.

It is so typical of everything that is wrong about the sport, in a bad way, I actually feel sorry for those of you suckered in by it, but you are no better than the Bandit brigade, the Epoxy streaker in a wooden boat race.

It's a one design, so bad, nothing technology can do will make it anythng other than an irritating few boat lengths faster than the next one, but even that's enough to make it unfair.

What was it that young Sir Ben said about his body not standing another trial by it? Meanwhile two modern sports with more in keeping with the 21st century have to battle each other and one must lose to satisfy ancient egos and the last of the old school tie bunch of blazered buffers.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Feb 13 at 8:26pm
Have to say that there is something in this, they do increasingly seem to choose style and pzzaz for Olympic events eg kite surfing and so hanging on to such ancient designs and ghere are quite a few (star, finn, laser) does make sailing liable to be dropped
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Feb 13 at 9:03pm
Yes these Finn things are odd. I was at the Byte nats a couple of years ago and the Finns were there as well. Great big lumps but with loads of string and carbon. Seemed to be rich blokes sailing them with Mercs and heavy wedding rings (making a statement). They are a bit like those Bentley sports cars that the footballers like, Balliotelli has one painted in camo, very cool, particularly as he is only fourteen or something,but.....why lumber round in a Bentley when you could zip about in an Elise? Well, some people are to fat for a Lotus so they squeeze into a Manchester United Taxi. We need those Finns for the obese among us and they need carbon and string to make them feel young and modern.

The trouble with you young Fuller is that you care about design and image, function comes second. You are right of course those are the things that move us forward. 

Am I talking rubbish? Probably, another glass I think.......

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Feb 13 at 9:23pm
Originally posted by r2d2

Have to say that there is something in this, they do increasingly seem to choose style and pzzaz for Olympic events eg kite surfing and so hanging on to such ancient designs and ghere are quite a few (star, finn, laser) does make sailing liable to be dropped


You might want to research how long the javelin and discus have been around...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Feb 13 at 10:07pm
interestingly, the javelin was modified around ten years ago as athletes were in danger of throwing it too far.....into the crowd....

What might get sailing out of the games will be a) the cost of staging the already very small Olympic regatta, and b) the accessibility, or rather lack of it, of sailing for the emerging nations. 
the same, but different...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Feb 13 at 10:34pm
Yes and for whatever reason there doesn't seem to be pressure to drop javelin / discus - unless you know different?
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