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    Posted: 31 Jan 13 at 10:32am
And how often do you see a 470 unless you are the one "touched by God"?
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Posts: 3958 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jan 13 at 10:10am
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Originally posted by gbr940

Random question - why do we even still use the 420 nowadays? When I was younger I couldn't think of anything more boring when I saw them at the sailing club and the Dinghy Show, and nowadays they just look old and aged. 


Because they teach the skills needed to be a top racing sailor in a big, competitive fleet. The fact that they are still popular when faced with compietition from the 29er might just tell you that speed isn't what everyone dreams of.


They're also the obvious trainer for the 470!
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Posts: 3958 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jan 13 at 10:09am
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I would have been more impressed if Dad's posts had not been rude / arrogant/ overbearing in tone


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Posts: 6662 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jan 13 at 9:09am
Originally posted by Paramedic

Is Dad not a little bit entitled to come in here with something of an attitude?
 
People - who have never even seen his son's or his mates boat - have accused him/them of cheating. People have been calling for bans, protests and all sorts


Nonsense. No-one accused them of cheating.

What was said that if a boat had been modified out of class that would be illegal, and if it had been modified to make it faster AND the RC had not been informed that would be cheating, and that damn well ought to be uncontroversial.

There were then various hypothetical digressions on the subject of modifying boats out of class and penalties.

No-one called for anyone to be banned since there was no evidence that the RC hadn't been informed, which was hardly suprising since it transpired that there was a fairly mind-boggling misidentification involved and no 420s had been modified in the manner suggested.

The main discussion, if one actually reads the thread, was about RS800 rigs.

I think radixon posted what could certainly be construed as a sort of apology for staggering incompetence in boat identification. I don't believe anyone else needs to apologise for anything.

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Originally posted by gbr940

Random question - why do we even still use the 420 nowadays? When I was younger I couldn't think of anything more boring when I saw them at the sailing club and the Dinghy Show, and nowadays they just look old and aged. 


Because they teach the skills needed to be a top racing sailor in a big, competitive fleet. The fact that they are still popular when faced with compietition from the 29er might just tell you that speed isn't what everyone dreams of.
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I would have been more impressed if Dad's posts had not been rude / arrogant/ overbearing in tone
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Posts: 3958 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jan 13 at 8:13am
Da yoof went to the BM, got told his boat - L3000 - was 'crap' by a 420 dad, and told he should buy a 420!  All well and good, but the 3000 is da yoof's pride and joy, all he could afford and he loves it.  Dads can and will have attitude, but they need to know where to use it.

I don't think Richard accused them of cheating, I think worse invective was levelled elsewhere, perhaps justifiably.  I'm actually impressed Dad came in and stood up to us all and defended the honour of his kids and their class. 
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Posts: 1459 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jan 13 at 8:10am
Nope - someone made an honest but wrong enquiry about what appeared to them to be a modification

There followed a debate about non class rules compliant boats in winter handicap racing.

There followed an over-reaction.

The latest inflammatory post just draws attention to something best forgotten.
But hey - I'll bump it gain. 
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Is Dad not a little bit entitled to come in here with something of an attitude?
 
People - who have never even seen his son's or his mates boat - have accused him/them of cheating. People have been calling for bans, protests and all sorts.
 
When actually noone has done anything wrong.
 
Quite a few people in this thread should be apologising.
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Posts: 1459 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jan 13 at 8:03pm
Well Mike seems to have missed the basic rule of forum life - don't re-invigorate a thread which brings you bad press!
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