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    Posted: 17 Jan 13 at 1:46pm
Originally posted by winging it

Originally posted by Jamesd

Originally posted by SoggyBadger

Originally posted by ChrisJ

to go deep


What kind of f***ing monkey talk is that? "Going deep" is something submariners might do. Surface craft generally try to avoid it.


I would say that it is the phrase that would sum up the class if it were full of females!



I don't know who you are Jamesd, but it's very obvious that you're an immature, uniformed little bigot, full of misogyny which unfortunately all too often pervades these boards.  That your nasty comments go unchallenged by the other posters just confirms my belief that this is not place for intelligent, informed discussion.  In short, I'm off to join BNS in the realms of common sense and decency.



I'm not really sure I get it?  

I like to consider myself well educated about such matters, and like to think I'm of liberal views, if admittedly, conservative taste... but really, what's he saying... is it that he likes a damn good pegging after sailing?  All respect to 'Mrs JamesD' for exercising her girly power, but really, it's not something we needed to know here is it?
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Trouble is, Nessa quoted the comment before you got rid of it, Mark.

Nessa, please don't go just because there is a pillock on here - better to rid ourselves of him, not you.

Not sure I really understand why any of this nonsense has started over a comment about how far you can bear away in a 2000. Maybe I'll come back later and see if the editing fairies have tidied up.
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Well said Nessa. He clearly is a disgusting little creep.
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Originally posted by Jamesd

Originally posted by SoggyBadger

Originally posted by ChrisJ

to go deep


What kind of f***ing monkey talk is that? "Going deep" is something submariners might do. Surface craft generally try to avoid it.


I would say that it is the phrase that would sum up the class if it were full of females!



I don't know who you are Jamesd, but it's very obvious that you're an immature, uniformed little bigot, full of misogyny which unfortunately all too often pervades these boards.  That your nasty comments go unchallenged by the other posters just confirms my belief that this is not place for intelligent, informed discussion.  In short, I'm off to join BNS in the realms of common sense and decency.


the same, but different...

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Originally posted by Jamesd


The only issue is; is the boat direct competition to the 200 and even the 400?



No. Different animals.

L2000 - beginner step up, nice but dull (except if honking), cruiser potential
RS200 - lightweights lively racer.
RS400 - heavy(ier)weights lively racer.
Like some other things - sailing is more enjoyable when you do it with someone else
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Originally posted by SoggyBadger

Originally posted by ChrisJ

to go deep


What kind of f***ing monkey talk is that? "Going deep" is something submariners might do. Surface craft generally try to avoid it.


I personally think it looks like a great boat, it has held its own against the 200 which to me seems a better racing class, but then i have never done an event in a 2000! 
I think it has survived well all these years under Laser (or whatever they chose to call themselves these days) and has had good turn outs. 
It is perhaps an overlooked class, it is not something i would have considered to be honest, but then i probably do not fall into the target market. 

I think it lacks the jazz of say the RS classes, but i believe that is probably down to marketing. Get LDC pumping in the glossy images etc and i think the class will just get stronger. In an ideal world it would be brought up to date with the change, sort out the niggles described above, make it look less of a training boat and more of a racer.......the class wil probably disagree and waffle on about how good the sails are etc, but to hell with it. 

Theres a shed load of them kicking about, more than i realised, seems to me they need a big drive to get those boats active and at the nationals! theres a load of 200 uni sailors that have naff all better to do all summer than go to another nat champs, pair them up with boats, get them to the nationals, get the numbers up, get the class appeal up, sell more boats!!!

The only issue is; is the boat direct competition to the 200 and even the 400?

Edit by Mark to remove offensive remark


Edited by Mark Jardine - 17 Jan 13 at 12:41pm
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The 2000 has been a staple for all levels of sailing at Weirwood for quite a time. Where it has been successful seems to be it has allowed beginners, families, kids, oldies, and pretty good racers to all sail and get something enjoyable out of their sailing.
They've all helped each other; the C.A. has been very active and the open circuit good fun for all.
It has been inclusive and not scary, and that seems to have been a very large part of its success.
Not for everyone I know, a bit of a pain in light airs, but a hoot in a blow.
Hope it keeps the inclusivity.
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Originally posted by ChrisJ

to go deep


What kind of f***ing monkey talk is that? "Going deep" is something submariners might do. Surface craft generally try to avoid it.

Best wishes from deep in the woods

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RE:>>There is a need for such boats, to teach people so they can sail RS400's. ;-)

Not me, I found it was the other way around... I have owned 3 different 400's, and now on to my 2nd 2000. The 400's teach you a lot about "power up for speed", while the 2000 teaches you the need and skills to go deep when the wind is less and you cant get planning.

<But I am not one of the 15-25 yr olds mentioned earlier!>

Edited by ChrisJ - 17 Jan 13 at 6:55am
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Originally posted by Medway Maniac

As the only fleet racing to be had at WSC nowadays is in 2k's, I have several times tried to bite the bullet and persuade myself to buy one.
I convinced myself that with all my experience I shouldn't capsize that often, so I could live with the capsize behaviour.
I convinced myself that although it was a lump to pull up the beach, other class members would help, as indeed I see them doing for each other.
But I could never get over the fact that there are aspects of the boat I don't like that I am not allowed to bimble away because of the strict one-design status.
For example, to sail it properly, you need to sit well forward - at least one body-width further than the deck/mainsheet system would suggest, so as a helm you are forever negotiating the centre bridle.  I'd like to switch that for an aft bridle but am not allowed to by the class rules. I'd again like to ditch the centre jammer and use off-the-boom sheeting. Cost again almost zero but again not allowed.
Going upwind, you crank on kicker and get uncontrolled mast bend.  I'd like to put lowers on ą la 3k, but am not allowed (for racing anyway, though they are actually recommended for the cruising trapeze option).  I'd also like to beef up the kicker, but guess what...
These changes would cost almost nothing and would make the boat appreciably more satisfying to me, but the anally tight class rules just don't allow anything - a few years ago, they even had a big debate over whether you could use spliced Dyneema for the bridle (happily, now allowed).
I know all about the benefits of one-design racing, but really, I want to sail a boat that satisfies me, not one that is "just as bad as the next man's".


Bite the bullet and add another Alto to your collection up there, you know you want to...
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