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    Posted: 14 Jan 13 at 8:01am
I recall that this weight issue became hot news when Laser revised the stated weight of the 2k from 100kg to 140.  I was never sure whether that was just Laser correcting a clerical error or acknowledging that the weight of more recent boats had indeed gone up. 

There is no question, however, that first-generation boats do appear disproportionately often at the top of the rankings compared to other classes where newer is generally the rule.
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I'm entirely confident that you would neither find a L2K hull even close to 100kg - it was a "clerical" error.

And I would say the proportion of older boats at the front end is testament to the longevity of the boats...interesting question as to how far that is down to the build weight also being relatively high.

I notice no performance difference between my current year 2 boat and the one I used to borrow.
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What i can say is when pulling mine up the beach compared to some of the others its seems alot lighter or its just me making more effort when my own.
Another thing what will Rs do about the class assoc as from the outside it seems to be run just great and i am just about join but then again do i wait see what Rs will do any ideas anyone ??
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Extracts, just for RockHopper who should really be a Class Association member, of the email last week that went out to all Association Members...

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pleased to announce that LDC Sailing has agreed with the boat's designer Phil Morrison to take over manufacture and marketing of the 2000. This is exciting news for the class, and confirms what we already know - that the 2000 is one of the most enjoyable and rewarding 2 person dinghies to sail.

Our active Class Association has been a key factor in LDC Sailing deciding that they wish to build the 2000, and we will be working closely with them and with Phil Morrison over the coming months as they make new moulds and finalise the specification for the boat. But one thing is certain - the 2000 will remain a strict one design, and new boats will be built to the same dimensions and with the same rig and sail plan as the existing fleet.

2013 promises to be an exciting new year for the 2000 fleet as we join the LDC Sailing / RS Sailing family. We start the year with a bright future, but with the same independent and strong class association, and with the same friendly people. "

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Originally posted by RS400atC


I would say that rs400's are perhaps not as tippy as you think?
If your wife is not going to want to sail in strong winds anyway, you might be better with a boat that goes well in lighter conditions?
The L2K seems to carry weight fairly well though.
Assuming you are intending to race, I would consider what you will be racing against.
Slower asymmetric boats can be frustrating to race against symmetric kites IMHO, as they reach from side to side while the Wayfarer runs straight to the mark.
But if there are like-minded people sailing the same boat, it becomes tactical fun.

But in your position a few years ago, I bought a 400, did some of the excellent class coaching and my only regret is not buying one sooner. I think we had 10 swims in our first year, in about 70 races?

We've got a bit of an odd mix as far as double handers go at Burton.  It is predominantly Flying Fifteens and I don't want one of them.  We've got two 400s and they definately don't look like beginners' boats to me.  They're both sailed by experienced sailors and still they end up in the water.  There are a couple of 420s sailed by adults and a couple of Fireballs, it's all PY RTC racing.

Something with a symmetrical kite would probably be more suitable for the club, assymetrics just seem more appealing to me for some reason.  I wouldn't even know where to start with looking for symmetric boats that would suit our weight, but that's another thread.
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well according the press release new tooling will be produced, however there is deep sympathetic prose towards the one design ethos, referencing only seeking consent for minor amendments to some of the fitout options.

Personally I think it's a win for all those involved.  I'd certainly consider one in the future (I already was tbh, but would have never bought a new, or even vaguely new one... now with a proper after-sales package in place from a reputable company, I'd certainly consider it in a few years.)
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Thank you chris yes i am just sorting it out at the mo after the christmas expenses and one of the reasons for buying open at our club now we have 13 or 14 boats i just hope i got the time off or a might have to lend it to some of hot shot youths
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Fascinating development and good luck to RS - I'm sure they will do very well with it.

The last time I sailed one was across the Channel from St Margarets Bay to Calais - and it was ideal for the trip.
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I would reccomend one for you and family Jimbo, when the time is right.  They are good to sai, have a friendly class with a good number of yonger people and can handle  a good blow.  Obviously they are not as light as the skiff type boats that some on here favour, but so what
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I favour skiff boats myself- but I heartily recommend the 2000 to those it is designed for. The inversion thing is a bit of an issue, but not that big a one really as it is quite a stable boat and not exactly over powered.
 
And, as others attest, when it's too windy to be safely sailing in an overpowered skiff, they're awesome fun for those that know what they're doing.
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